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11-12-2017 , 03:31 PM
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I highly recommend putting 5 before 4
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11-12-2017 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
And the results of this cognitive process are that there is a guy in the sky who listens when you talk to him?
I don't believe that there's a guy in the sky. I don't know anyone who does.

But you won't let facts get in the way of your narrative. You *NEED* these falsehoods in order for you to keep your ego afloat. The emotional devastation of realizing that you're chasing windmills will be too much for you.
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11-12-2017 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
I don't believe that there's a guy in the sky. I don't know anyone who does.

But you won't let facts get in the way of your narrative. You *NEED* these falsehoods in order for you to keep your ego afloat. The emotional devastation of realizing that you're chasing windmills will be too much for you.
So what makes you a Christian, then?

Last edited by d2_e4; 11-12-2017 at 03:53 PM. Reason: Elighten me. I'd love to catch one of these windmills some time
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11-12-2017 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
This is what I mean when I say that you are patronising. You know that the claim meant "relatively", yet you responded as though it were a claim about absolute numbers.
That's not patronizing. That's just reading your words are responding to them.

But even if you are making the claim about "relative" there's nothing that should strike me as being odd about it. Primarily, going into the Enlightenment, the only people who were scientists were religious because they were the only ones who were educated.

So that the monopoly would be lost as more people started to have access to knowledge really doesn't surprise me, or shock me, or concern me. I think that scientific knowledge is better for the diversity of perspectives being brought into it.

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This is also the reason why I don't respond to the substance of most of your posts - you don't debate in good faith, but you shroud your disingenuousness in opaque and often circumlocutory language.
Yeah. I'm 100% confident that this is the reason that you present false statements as facts. It has nothing to do with your lack of intellectual thought or reflection on the subject matter.

Strangely, it's weird that you call my language "opaque" when you're the one being upset that I'm responding directly to your statements and not responding to the thing you meant but didn't say. I've decided that if you're too stupid to understand me, that's a you problem and not a me problem.
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11-12-2017 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
So what makes you a Christian, then?
What makes anyone a Christian? Most perspectives involve understanding the centrality of Jesus as a model for how to live. This is often phrased as "following Jesus."

That you think that this has something to do with people in the sky just shows the depth of your ignorance.

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Last edited by d2_e4; Today at 11:53 AM. Reason: Elighten me. I'd love to catch one of these windmills some time
All you have to do is believe you've caught one. Reality clearly doesn't matter to you, so just construct your own.
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11-12-2017 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Reality clearly doesn't matter to you, so just construct your own.
The irony is strong with this one
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11-12-2017 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
What makes anyone a Christian? Most perspectives involve understanding the centrality of Jesus as a model for how to live. This is often phrased as "following Jesus."

That you think that this has something to do with people in the sky just shows the depth of your ignorance.



All you have to do is believe you've caught one. Reality clearly doesn't matter to you, so just construct your own.
Oh right, I thought it had something to do with believing in god. Mea culpa. I guess I've been debating the wrong guy all along.
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11-12-2017 , 04:00 PM
It took you nearly 1000 posts to learn something? I don't know if I should be impressed or depressed. Probably both.

Last edited by Aaron W.; 11-12-2017 at 04:01 PM. Reason: The abject ignorance is definitely strong with you. Congratulations on your windmill.
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11-12-2017 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
It took you nearly 1000 posts to learn something? I don't know if I should be impressed or depressed. Probably both.
Can I just clarify. You are a Christian, but you don't believe in god. Is this a true statement?

Last edited by d2_e4; 11-12-2017 at 04:07 PM. Reason: This, I have to see. F5 mania.
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11-12-2017 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BeaucoupFish
When Christianity dominated the Western world, it would be peculiar if Christians were not at the forefront of what happened during that time, wouldn't it?
There are lots of meaningful challenges to the claim. This isn't one of them.
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11-12-2017 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Can I just clarify. You are a Christian, but you don't believe in god. Is this a true statement?
This is false.

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I don't believe that there's a guy in the sky. I don't know anyone who does.
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11-12-2017 , 04:09 PM
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Again, why not just give up the pretense? I'm impatient with idiots (our definitions of idiots are probably different), but I don't pretend to subscribe to some cult that preaches tolerance and "turning the other cheek".
No one would mistake you for preaching those things. You are safe.
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11-12-2017 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
This is false.
Do you believe that Jesus was the son of god?

Edit: because it sounds like you're not actually religious (which doesn't surprise me in the least), but for social reasons you feel the need to self-identify as such. That would also explain the anger and the "lady doth protest too much" style of posting.
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11-12-2017 , 04:11 PM
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Do you believe that Jesus was the son of god?
Yes, but probably not using the concepts that you're applying.
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11-12-2017 , 04:11 PM
Christians dont think their God is in the sky. Outside time and space daddy would be better if you want to be accurate in you jabs.
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11-12-2017 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Edit: because it sounds like you're not actually religious (which doesn't surprise me in the least), but for social reasons you feel the need to self-identify as such. That would also explain the anger and the "lady doth protest too much" style of posting.
You should trust your ability to read between the lines just about as much as you should trust your ability to read the lines themselves.

Very few people could be as dumb as you've presented yourself. Consider yourself to be a champion of some sort.
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11-12-2017 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Yes, but probably not using the concepts that you're applying.
Right, so he was the son of god, but you don't believe that god is a guy in the sky. I'm as confused now as I was in religious studies in school when I was 9.

So you didn't do a very good job of answering my question in 500 words or fewer. You used 24 which meant nothing, by the sounds of it.

Last edited by d2_e4; 11-12-2017 at 04:19 PM. Reason: I don't get Christianity. Champion!
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11-12-2017 , 04:19 PM
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I'm as confused now as I was in religious studies in school when I was 9.
This is likely because you haven't learned much since then.

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So you didn't do a very good job of answering my question in 500 words or fewer. You used 24 which meant nothing, by the sounds of it.
You are welcome to assess those 24 words however you choose. Given your participation in this thread, that assessment is worth about as much as your first three posts.
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11-12-2017 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
This is likely because you haven't learned much since then.



You are welcome to assess those 24 words however you choose. Given your participation in this thread, that assessment is worth about as much as your first three posts.
So your reason for not answering the most challenging question posed to you in this thread is that you don't like the person who posed it?
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11-12-2017 , 04:40 PM
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Christians dont think their God is in the sky. Outside time and space daddy would be better if you want to be accurate in you jabs.
Meh, only since humanity has been able to go to the sky to check it out. Pretty sure that before we had the ability to send humans into the air, they thought he was sitting on a cloud or something. There are even some pictures around to substantiate this hypothesis.
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11-12-2017 , 04:41 PM
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So your reason for not answering the most challenging question posed to you in this thread is that you don't like the person who posed it?
I've answered the question. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking you. It clearly has to do with mocking you. You're not intelligent enough to understand, and that you would try this tack simply proves it.
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11-12-2017 , 04:42 PM
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Meh, only since humanity has been able to go to the sky to check it out. Pretty sure that before we had the ability to send humans into the air, they thought he was sitting on a cloud or something.
Your certainty of many things reveals how few of those things you know.

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There are even some pictures around to substantiate this hypothesis.


Confirmed.
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11-12-2017 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
Your certainty of many things reveals how few of those things you know.





Confirmed.
Ok, let's not make this about me. Can you just answer the following with binary answers?

1. Do you believe in god?
2. Do you believe Jesus was the son of god?
3. Do you believe Jesus' mother was a Virgin?
4. Do you believe Noah lived to be 600 years old?
5. Do you believe Jesus was resurrected?

Ok, those were a bit easy (hopefully). Now for an essay question.

Do you consider yourself a Christian because you feel that morality is derived from an otherworldly source and is not an innate human quality?

Last edited by d2_e4; 11-12-2017 at 04:56 PM. Reason: Love the pic BTW. I was thinking Da Vinci, but that works too.
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11-12-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
I've answered the question. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking you. It clearly has to do with mocking you. You're not intelligent enough to understand, and that you would try this tack simply proves it.
You haven't answered it with any specificity whatsoever. You basically said "I believe what I believe because I thought about it". Yeah, I mean, I thought about a bacon sandwich when I woke up hung over this morning; alas, it did not apparate.

Writing words after a sentence which ends with a question mark is necessary but insufficient to "answering a question".
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11-12-2017 , 06:16 PM
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Meh, only since humanity has been able to go to the sky to check it out. Pretty sure that before we had the ability to send humans into the air, they thought he was sitting on a cloud or something. There are even some pictures around to substantiate this hypothesis.
Oh. Well your zing works well against the humans of the past then.

Last edited by batair; 11-12-2017 at 06:18 PM. Reason: Not really but ok.
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