Reasons I'm very skeptical about religion - Page 2 - Religion, God, and Theology

If anybody other than FellaGaga thinks that I am being dishonest and/or am guilty of "intentional misdirection", please say so in this thread. Thanks.

09-15-2019 , 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52

Actually satire is one of the great convincers. BUT, I didn't mean people who believe it today are 50 IQ. That was a reference to the intelligence during the age when it was originally propagated.

Why should this NOT be taken literally?

What is the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that people who lived around 1500 BC had a lower IQ than people living today?

09-15-2019 , 03:37 AM

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Why should this NOT be taken literally?

What is the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that people who lived around 1500 BC had a lower IQ than people living today?

In other words, anything but addressing the talking snake borrowed story or providing the epistemological foundation for the religion (that it seems you would be in a perfect position to do). It's disappointing.

09-15-2019 , 03:38 AM

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If anybody other than FellaGaga thinks that I am being dishonest and/or am guilty of "intentional misdirection", please say so in this thread. Thanks.

lolololololol. This level from a philosopher??? Religion can be a horrible thing.

09-15-2019 , 03:48 AM

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I answered several of your posts ITT. Would you like to engage my responses?

09-15-2019 , 03:59 AM

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lolololololol. This level from a philosopher??? Religion can be a horrible thing.

Just like pretty much everything, religion CAN be a horrible thing, and it can also be a wonderful thing.

09-15-2019 , 04:02 AM

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lolololololol. This level from a philosopher??? Religion can be a horrible thing.

I honestly want to know if others think I am guilty of dishonesty or misdirection. Is seeking wise counsel a bad thing in your opinion?

09-15-2019 , 04:09 AM

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I answered several of your questions. Now please answer my question: what is the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that people today have an IQ higher than people 3500 years ago? Thanks.

09-15-2019 , 04:58 AM

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I answered several of your questions. Now please answer my question: what is the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that people today have an IQ higher than people 3500 years ago? Thanks.

Awesome self-deception.

09-15-2019 , 05:03 AM

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09-15-2019 , 05:06 AM

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Awesome self-deception.

Well, I attempted to engage you in good faith, but you're not interested in an actual conversation. I answered several of your questions, and you answered NONE of mine.

Have a blessed day!

Edit: while I was typing you answered a question.

09-15-2019 , 05:07 AM

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Miming indoctrination and answering are two different things.

I am not into attacking religion. I am interested in the nature of things, and to the extent religion interferes with that it is immoral.

99%+ of the population was illiterate 2000 years ago. That bears directly and greatly on intelligence as we define and measure it today.

09-15-2019 , 05:12 AM

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IQ tests don't all require knowledge of a written language.

One can have a very high IQ and not be literate.

09-15-2019 , 05:16 AM

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IQ measures the ability to learn and reason. Not directly related to literacy.

09-15-2019 , 05:17 AM

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I honestly want to know if others think I am guilty of dishonesty or misdirection. Is seeking wise counsel a bad thing in your opinion?

No. But the epistemological defense that you promised is the main thing relative to this discussion and, it would seem, to your life as a Christian and a philosopher. You have this to give, you claim, but won't while pursuing all these non-issues. THAT is the diversion.

I want to see that, even told you I would publish it. But it isn't forthcoming while you spew gibberish about what the measurable IQ of people who couldn't read was, in an age when such training in abstractions tested was utterly foreign to lives so consumed by simple survival.

09-15-2019 , 05:23 AM

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No. But the epistemological defense that you promised is the main thing relative to this discussion and, it would seem, to your life as a Christian and a philosopher. You have this to give but won't while pursuing all these non-issues. THAT is the diversion.

I want to see that, even told you I would publish it. But it isn't forthcoming while you spew gibberish about what the measurable IQ of people who couldn't read was, in an age when such training in abstractions tested was utterly foreign to lives so consumed by simple survival.

Huh? These are issues that YOU BROUGHT UP. I answered many of your questions, and you have yet to engage any of my responses except the IQ issue.

I will temporary set aside the three threads we are posting in and make an epistemology thread. Sound good?

09-15-2019 , 05:32 AM

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IQ measures the ability to learn and reason. Not directly related to literacy.

Is this the epistemology or are you still diverting?

Yes it is related. As learning literacy is one of the primary launchers and enhancers of abstract reasoning capacities in education. Not to mention that the modern tests, to which I was referring, are given almost exclusively in literary formats ... so what kind of score do YOU think someone illiterate could manage on that??

09-15-2019 , 05:34 AM

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Sure does.

09-15-2019 , 07:14 AM

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Sure does.

09-15-2019 , 11:09 AM

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I want to see that, even told you I would publish it. But it isn't forthcoming while you spew gibberish about what the measurable IQ of people who couldn't read was, in an age when such training in abstractions tested was utterly foreign to lives so consumed by simple survival.

These 99%+ illiterate cultures were so consumed by simple survival that left us these stupid writings!

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09-15-2019 , 03:07 PM

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Technically, the average IQ 2000 years ago was 100, just as it is now.

As a species, our intellectual progress compounds over generations, so people back then were quite literally ******ed. I can't grasp how people nowadays would still consider books written 1500+ years ago "holy", lol.
To me it's just superstition and delusion. No way some dudes in the middle east were "prophets".

09-15-2019 , 03:41 PM

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Based on the relative quality and cogency of their writing, I'd take the intelligence of most authors of the Bible over most posters here. What's your evidence that they were so dumb?

09-15-2019 , 06:19 PM

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Technically, the average IQ 2000 years ago was 100, just as it is now.

As a species, our intellectual progress compounds over generations, so people back then were quite literally ******ed. I can't grasp how people nowadays would still consider books written 1500+ years ago "holy", lol.
To me it's just superstition and delusion. No way some dudes in the middle east were "prophets".

Looking forward to seeing your SCIENTIFIC evidence for that claim.

09-15-2019 , 06:24 PM

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I think that the book of Psalms, for example, has extraordinary literary merit that is at least the equal of anything written since then. Secular universities often offer a "Bible as Literature" class.