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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
The religion is a poem, right? The Great Flood didn't happen, the genocides didn't happen, the "stone unruly children" command didn't happen ... etc. In this non-fundamentalist version, did the Resurrection happen? Is salvation a real thing, or more like the Flood?
It seems an inconvenient question -- or an inconvenient answer -- as to where all the religions, cults, sects, variations, denominations come from. So I'll answer it. It comes from the minds of men ... as poems, as fabrications, as myths, as nut case delusions. If one wants to make the case that there is one true one that doesn't come from such places, then they shouldn't be compelled to avoid the question. An honest answer says, "Religion is a devise of man." There should be no need to avoid that subject unless, unless ... well, that's obvious.
From the OP of this very thread that you have multiple posts in:
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I ask the rationalists, “Do you agree that we can act in ways that are more or less in accordance with reality?” Response: “Yes”.
Then I ask, “Do you agree that it’s valuable to be in accordance with reality?” Response: “Yes”.
At this point, it’s established that both sides agree the moral domain (how we act) is valuable. The rationalists will agree to this out of one side of their mouth, but then on the other side, they will dismiss religious stories on the claim that they are not historical events. If the moral domain is associated with reality, then it doesn’t matter whether or not a story is historical if there is moral value in the story.
I will break it down again especially for you:
1) Reality corresponds with truth
2) We can act more or less in accordance with reality
Therefore (1+2):
3) The moral domain (how we act) is associated with truth.
4) All stories (including religious stories) invoke the moral domain
Therefore (3+4):
5) All stories (including religious stories) fall within the spectrum of truth
You seem to want to argue that religious stories aren’t true by using a very narrow definition of truth (historical fact). I reject your distortion and limitation of truth.
Last edited by craig1120; 09-10-2022 at 01:58 AM.