Splendour,

How would you feel if I made the statement "Christians are becoming more atheistic". And then when you challenged me on why I believe that, searching for statistics, surveys, or anything legitimate, I simply gave you the name of 1 or 2 Christians, who may or may not be deceased, that changed from Christianity to atheism. Would you think that these 1 or 2 cases are amazing support for the blanket statement of "Christians are becoming more atheistic"?

Can you really not see how horrible this argument is without me creating a reversed scenario like that for you????

One prerequisite to even joining the NAS is to swear on the body of a dead chicken that you're an atheist.

horrible horrible strawman

which theist wants to embarrass themselves next?

So is this an admission that you were wrong about Flew?

Jibs, Stu, and NotReady are becoming the holy trinity of cognitive dissonance in action.

Collins was never a true atheist.

You should stop lying. I haven't said anything factually incorrect. I said "I think there is a....." which is not a factual statement at all but rather an opinion. If I was making a factual statement I would not have included the words "I think".

Second you cannot and have not shown my opinion to be incorrect so stop pretending you have. Third I have said that the universe has the appearance of being fine tuned. I do believe that to be a fact...that it appears to be fine tuned...that is why I did not use the words "I think it has the appearance it is fine tuned. I know a lot of prominent people would agree with me...that the universe has the appearance of being fine tuned...so your "no it doesn't" arguement doesn't carry a lot of weight with me. Also since your reading comprehesion is so poor....please note that I am not saying it is a fact that the universe is fine tuned but rather that it has the appearance of being fine tuned. I shouldn't have to explain this but for a graduate student you sure come off as a simpleton at times.

Now you're just being a douchebag.

Well if you act irl anything like you do here than I mean what I said. If you don't, then yeah it's probably a dumb thing for me to say.

Anthem of those who lost the argument but are too egotistical to admit it

Cue the backing up drop...

*beep* *beep* *beep*

Normally I mostly ignore you because you are at least 3/4 troll. However in this instance I will take the time to crush your ascertion that I am backpeddling and at the same time point out your foolishness.

In another thread Maxraker said this:

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Would you interpet just what you have here as a factual statement? I wouldn't and neither would any rational person. If you would take that comment from Max as a factual statement(as you presumably would because you did so in my case) you are being a fool.

For the record Max re-iterated that he was not making a factual statement because he also included words like "I'm not sure". Did he need too? Not really but he also makes the foolish error that when people say "I think" they are making factual statements so it is not unexpected.

Lol. I do not actually even believe you think that. You are fundamentally dishonest and not smart enough to do well in debates even with no regard for the truth.

I have provided evidence you are wrong. You gave no supporting evidence as to why you think that (which is why I think you are just lying). I'm sure nobody but you, Jib, Notready splendour would say you are likely correct on that.

Again, if you say the universe has the appearance of fine tuning it is not correct to say that there is 0 evidence for a multi verse. You implied that you think both of those things are simultaneously true, which is not correct.

Lol. Maybe after the 2nd time I've told you why your views are incorrect you can understand and say something relevant. I'm pretty sure you still won't understand though.

I guess this is some kind of figurative concession of the point?

Of course my statement was also not idiotic. So it's got that going for it.

Kind of funny that you bring up that statement because I go out of my way to make sure people understand that I am just guessing. I wanted people to know that when I start something about the law with "I think...." it means very, very little. If anybody who studied the law came up with some details on why that was wrong, I would certainly drop the argument because it is not something I have studied in any detail.

Unfortunately, that kind of thing is tolerated, and even encouraged in this forum.

The Politics forum, on the other hand, isn't as big a fan of Stu's posting style: Stu whines about his exile from the Politics forum/

Yeah, I know politics has alot stricter rules. RGT is pretty much the only topic discussion subforum that he could post in without running into Mod problems.

I concede that atheists think how they spend Sunday morning is irrelevant.

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Science is on our side.


I myself have always been an "atheist". After my near death experience (NDE) three years ago my view changed in no way.
Some guy claiming that his view changed when close to death is either stupid or doesn't care about it because he knows for 100% certainty that he will be dead soon, at which point there's nothing to lose by "admitting".
I still wouldn't do it, but I can't blame the people that do.

How is this not assuming your conclusion?

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This is a really bizarre quote imo. What evidence will come to light, which will strongly point to a creator, considering there is none now?

Sneak preview of Jibs answer

I haven't read the whole thread or made any statements about Flew itt either.

I was just pointing out that brilliant scientists have converted.

Physics professor Frank J. Tipler is another former atheist.

Hopey please find one quote in that entire thread where I whine about being exiled. If you can I will donate $50 to the red cross...if you can't how about you donate $50 to the red cross. That thread was a complaint about the blatant bias that goes on that forum not about me being exiled. I never once said my exile was unjust or that it should be lifted.