I think a person who graduates from Harvard Law must be of above average intelligence.

Yes, I know it's an elected position, and the fact that Obama is likable certainly helped him, but it also shows that his law school colleagues respected his intelligence and abilities. Tons of awards and positions are elected but still guarantee the recipient must be smart.

Just lol at trying to make it through life with this philosophy.

If someone who is much smarter than you disagrees with you about something, you should probably strongly consider the possibility that they are right and you are wrong.

Just like winning the Nobel Peace Prize guaranteed Obama was going to be peaceful world leader right?

To many prestigious positions/awards are given away for political reasons rather than actual merit for it to be a good metric of intellect. The best metric is to look at how easily one learns facts about the world and can then figure out how to use that knowledge to make things better.

You error because you focus soley on the absorbtion of bits of information when intellect is really about gathering and processing.

Also Obama was President of Havard Law review and not the editor.

No.

I am not saying that Obama is smarter than every other person in his law school class. But he must be smart, and almost all of his classmates are smart and we can know that from just the fact that they went to Harvard Law.


LOL, best=close to worst possible? Why add in a hugely subjective component of making things better? I am thinking you are not being serious anymore.

That is a huge component of law school, a place where Obama did better than people who were valedictorians, national merit finalists etc.

You said you don't think he is smart partly because he passed health care. If there exists incredibly smart people (Fields Medalists etc) that think the bill is a good idea, would you admit that MAYBE your metric is dumb and you have no idea what you area talking about? Or would you double down on the ******ation and claim that Fields Medalist X is not smart?

I said that Obama has not done anything to indicate to me that he is particularly smart. I never said that Obama was not smart. What I did say is that if I used Obamacare as metric to judge his intellect I would put him on the stupid side of the scale.

If Bush and Obama were in all the same classes together and worked equally hard, would you say Obama would still beat out Bush for the President of the Havard Law Review?

This started out being a comparison of Bush's and Obama's intellect and I want know by what criteria you give Obama 20 more IQ points.

This says WAY more about your intelligence than his. The health care bill isa hugely contentious issue that you don't fully understand. Incredibly smart people are divided on it and it has nothing to directly do with intellect. You might as well look at what he eats for dinner.

I am off to send ElliotR a thank you gift.

Are you sure this doesn't imply (since he apparently did well relative to others at Harvard and you think it's a field full of smart people who were presumably competing with him) that you do have evidence that he's smart?

Yes.

If somebody said Bush was "smart", I wouldn't have strong objections. He is likely smarter than what his mediocre academic record indicates. If Obama is simply an average Harvard Law review editor and sucessful teacher at a top 10 law school he must be incredibly bright. Even if he is below average for these groups he is still incredibly bright. Bush does not have any intelligence based achievements that put him in such elite company. Ie if he is close to as dumb as he can possibly be given what we know about him, Bush is smart but nothing ridiculous. If Obama is as dumb as he can reasonably be he is STILL incredibly smart.

The problem for us dumb folk is there are smarter people then us on all sides of the God question. So this guy declaring God is real doesn't mean much. Now if he got all the smart folk to agree. Then thats a different story and i would go, well God must exist.

Not that it would make much of a difference in my life anyhow. A personal God is still not personal to me no matter what smart people say. And a deist God existing is not telling me anything that would change my life in any way accept the knowledge that something created the universe.

So then invading Iraq because they had WMD's makes Bush mildy ******ed?

I don't think Bush is particularly intelligent either.

Ok I have an IQ of 140 from the Wechsler test which makes me more qualified than everyone in this thread than maybe 1 person because im in the 99th percentile. Notice I just said more qualified, because my high IQ makes me an expert in everything. I know very little about this Lanagan guy other than reading his wikipedia page but I have concluded that he's poorly adjusted but has a high IQ cause he has an academic gift. On the other hand if he were really brilliant enough to solve the universe all by himself maybe he'd be able to figure out how to get published, so I guess his intelligence isnt all that functional, now is it? Anyway anyone who says he unquestionably brilliant because of his high IQ is a moron and cannot disagree with my assertion that they are a moron because I have a higher IQ than them, thus making them unqualified to disagree with me by their own logic.

Its obvious you and I have a difference of opinion on what it means to be bright. You put more emphasis on being articulate and regurgitating facts and I put more emphasis on aquiring knowledge and solving problems.

Still he could have been president of the Havard Law Review.

No I don't. I just know what law school is and have friends at top law schools, one in particular who was able to get a BS in math from a top school with very little effort who tells me success at top law schools requires alot of hard work and intelligence. You seem to know practically nothing about the subject, which is why you disagree with me and practically everybody else itt.

You put more emphasis on nonsense and don't care about having a coherent definition.

When I said "if I used Obamacare....." I wasn't making a coment about Obama being stupid but rather that the bill was stupid.

Using 'if' made it more difficult for you to comprehend than I anticipated.

Either way your statement is dumb. It would be like saying "If I used Obama's last dinner order...." To talk about such irrelevant things when we have a ton of hugely relevant info telling us Obama is smart is.... well basically par for the course for you.

I would bet a ton of money you have never read the bill and would fail a test quizzing you over what is in it (I know I would).

Everything I have ever talked to you about has been more difficult for you to comprehend than I anticipated.

This is why you were banned from politics by the way. Defending an indefensible position. You can have the last word.

You are making that up to cast me in a bad light. The reason i was exiled from politics was because I was critical of the biased modding that happens in that forum. In fact when I asked ElliotR via pm why I was exiled he replied:

They didn't like me giving specific examples of the crappy job they were/are doing.

Actually you've been seen at least twice in recent threads started on your own to be defending indefensible positions. One of those threads boiled down to virtually nothing more than you asserting that the universe is big, and a second assertion that god must have created the universe given your original assertion.

I think your macaroni art is pretty cute!

I wish in the little text bubble above my avatar you would have used an actual quote of mine instead of making something up though.

FTR In the craig thread I conceded that craigs argument is flawed if the inflation model spits out universes of random size. If it is more likely to spit out small universes more so than large ones then it his argument has some credibility imo.

It circumstantial evidence yes, but what I am talking about is direct evidence.

Thats pretty good.

Yes, you did concede that you had no ****ing idea what you were talking about after a certain period of time. The point is you were found to be doing exactly what got you barred from Politics in RGT. Defending hilariously terrible positions that can only be categorized as that of a kindergartener, a level, or a troll. Don't worry though, madnak and Jibninjas don't actually get rid of any of trolls in RGT, they just wait until the trolls annoy the good posters into doing something they shouldn't and then discipline them only.

Yeah, except they keep popping up. The game doesn't end.