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01-18-2011 , 01:19 PM

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Wamy Einehouse

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Great post ILP

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01-19-2011 , 10:05 AM

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ILOVEPOKER929

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Great post ILP

Thanx. I think I spent 3 hours on that post, and I almost didn't submit it given that it's way off topic and obviously tl;dr, but then I figured, what the hell, God will forgive me.

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01-19-2011 , 10:12 AM

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Splendour

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Are you an ACer ILP? Your paragraph that mentioned anarchy caught my attention. Why is it that anarchists seem to think anarchy hasn't been tried before?

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01-19-2011 , 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929

Thanx. I think I spent 3 hours on that post, and I almost didn't submit it given that it's way off topic and obviously tl;dr, but then I figured, what the hell, God will forgive me.

I enjoyed it too. I disagree with it in a number of places, but a nice presentation of your view. Frankly, I think you should set it off in a separate thread.

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01-19-2011 , 02:19 PM

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pokerfun666

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lol , the title of the thread is a bit too much.

who says religious people cannot be good scientists ?

and there is no religion that encourages u to harm yourself , the ultra extremist in every religion to that , but it is because of them (they r extreme) not because of the religion.

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01-19-2011 , 02:31 PM

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batair

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This is what i mean... Religion only teaches good. The bad is something eles's fault.

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01-20-2011 , 09:09 AM

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madnak

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Originally Posted by -moe-

Usually, yes, probably correct. But a ruthless sociopath would also be more likely to make it to the top, it seems, given the long string of really nasty dictators in those countries, and then he's in a position to have hundreds of children. And there's not only a single "top", there are probably many opportunities to grab vast power, like local for an area, or a village.

I think ruthlessly aggressive social strategies have evolved largely because they carry an increased likelihood of "reaching the top." But they also carry (at least in most primate species) an increased likelihood of death or banishment. Very high risk, very high potential reward.

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(Reminds me; see vice.tv's documentary on Liberia for a good illustration of the type of society I'm envisioning in this case. General Butt Naked couldn't happen in any Western country...)

This is essentially what I worry Western society may descend into, given time and the right type of crisis.

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Oh well. Don't have time to look it up right now, but IIRC, the share of people with low emotional impact from watching fellow humans in pain has been found to be steady around 6% in most or all cultures where something like the Milgram experiment or the Stanford prison experiment has been run. (Might have been Pinker's "The Blank Slate" which mentions this.) So perhaps the equilibrium of human "hawks vs doves" will be around that number anyway.

I think this equilibrium is a result of the specific risk versus reward that has held during our natural history. If we apply selective pressure in favor of sociopaths, I see the equilibrium changing.

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01-20-2011 , 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929

Thanx. I think I spent 3 hours on that post, and I almost didn't submit it given that it's way off topic and obviously tl;dr, but then I figured, what the hell, God will forgive me.

Responded in a new thread.

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