wrong. you clearly do not understand the meaning of "confirming the existence of". If you mean that Jesus confirmed that certain people are referenced in the OT literature, then I agree with you. He in no way confirms that these people actually existed, and if they did, that their story is 100% literal, factual, or historical.

i am no making an argument. I'm asking you why you think Jesus referring to the *story* of Jonah in any way means that Jesus believes the *story* of Jonah should be taken as literal, factual, and historical. The only thing you seem to be able to muster up is that by Jesus saying that Jonah's father was XYZ that that somehow means that the story of Jonah is 100% true. Your realize that someone can reference a story, and even recite the story word for word, and even make a analogy to that story, WITHOUT THE STORY BEING TRUE? Because it looks like you don't realize that, which is why i said your life must be very confusing.

Okay, so Jesus was not actually a person is what you are saying? Mary and Joseph did not exist? Their parents did not exist? and so on ?

Jesus says the OT is The Word of God. God does not lie. He is upfront with His Creation since the Beginning.

because some theists are sane, and i like discussing things with them.

as an aside, from a purely theological position, i respect your beliefs about the bible more than someone who is moderate and rational. but thats another story.

Thanks i guess. I just try to share The Truth to the best of my abilities.

thats not what I'm saying at all. I've pretty much reached the limit to my patience, and since you cant seem to comprehend anything I'm writing, it seems pointless to continue.

Taking a story in the OT as figurative, or as a spiritual metaphor, doesn't mean you believe God is a liar, or that the OT is not the Word of God.

Good luck, perhaps a regular theist on this board will feel pity or compassion for you and lend you a hand.

you never answered my question Gunth, what is the heart of the earth?

He ignores the tough ones, but that won't stop him from chiming in with complete non sequiturs whenever the mood strikes him.

I don't ignore it, i just refrain from posting my opinion unless i am certain it is true.

Uh.. yes you are:

He references David. Jesus is a descendant of David. If you are denying that David was a real person, you are denying that Jesus was a real person.

Yes He does, once again i am sorry you can't see the connection when the Bible tells you the connections and i am posting the connections for you.
Going to ask you one more time, can you show me one verse that points to your assumption that we should not take any of the stories literally? Dknight says so is not Scripture evidence.
If any theist can explain what i am saying to dknight it would be greatly appreciated as he is too smart to understand when i tell him.

Then why reference a bible verse if you don't understand it?

I did not reference it for that reason.

If someone tells you they believe God created the heavens and earth, is that as much of stretch as the story of Jonah? If so, should you just ignore them as well?

Peace!

no, its not. which is why in another post I said to gunth: "as an aside, from a purely theological position, i respect your beliefs about the bible more than someone who is moderate and rational."

its no stretch at all. with god, anything is possible.

who is "them" ? i dont really know what you are asking, but the fact that its not a stretch to believe a man living in a whale and believing God created the heavens and the earth should give the believer more pause than it does me. i think both beliefs are insane.

Gunth0807, what did your QFT mean?

Why would you use a widely used abbreviation accepted by everyone here to mean one thing and expect anyone to think that you infact mean something else?

Why do you refuse to say what you meant by QFT?

quantum field theory imo (my imo did not mean in my opinion)

- He wasn't sure what QFT meant, but used it anyway.

- When it was pointed out that he managed to insult himself, he backpedaled and said that's not how he meant it.

- He now can't say how he meant it, because it would show that he wasn't even close to knowing the actual definition of QFT.

- Therefore, ignoring inquiries > embarrassment.

That's my guess anyway.