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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" is a false cliche. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" is a false cliche.

11-12-2010 , 04:28 AM
I'm sure he will be just be back in here tomorrow being like "what? what is the mistake I'm making? Would you like to point it out or continue making things up?"
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11-12-2010 , 08:24 AM
ha! spot on with that one.
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11-12-2010 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bunny
Well I look forward to it, since I'm struggling to find a positive interpretation.
You yourself have said many times that you do no label yourself a christian for the purposes of this forum because you views differ so much. It is no secret that you and I disagree on many if not most discussion around here, so the fact that you disagreed with me here was no shocker to me. I expect that when I present a position that you disagree, just like I expect AIF, ILP, Madnak, OH, etc to disagree with me.

So it has nothing to do with not respecting your opinion. I greatly respect your opinion just like everyone else that I mention, as well as others here. But I fully expect you to disagree with me on most my positions.

On the opposite end, I agree with say NotReady on most things. Since we share most of the same views if he disagreed with me then it would be reason for pause as it is unexpected and there must be a reason why we would not agree on this one discussion when normally we do agree.

So I hope you don't take it the wrong way, it was in no way meant as a negative, but just a matter of fact.
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11-12-2010 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
You yourself have said many times that you do no label yourself a christian for the purposes of this forum because you views differ so much. It is no secret that you and I disagree on many if not most discussion around here, so the fact that you disagreed with me here was no shocker to me. I expect that when I present a position that you disagree, just like I expect AIF, ILP, Madnak, OH, etc to disagree with me.

So it has nothing to do with not respecting your opinion. I greatly respect your opinion just like everyone else that I mention, as well as others here. But I fully expect you to disagree with me on most my positions.

On the opposite end, I agree with say NotReady on most things. Since we share most of the same views if he disagreed with me then it would be reason for pause as it is unexpected and there must be a reason why we would not agree on this one discussion when normally we do agree.

So I hope you don't take it the wrong way, it was in no way meant as a negative, but just a matter of fact.
So, splenda, there is "theistic logic". You were challenged on a point of logic and fact.
"Actions" are not beliefs ( remember ).
When challenged on "excluded middles" etc, and calling for OP to show you where you went wrong, because bunny wasn't making it obvious to you ( and he's the wrong theist).. and then dismissing it when he did because he doesn't use theistic logic - that makes sense to you.
when you finally post your thesis on this "obvious and simple" claim you made ... it'll come down to "non-believers don't believe" . Just please keep it as short as possible since we all understand the spot you've put yourself in.
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11-12-2010 , 12:48 PM
I think Bunny's problem is that his VMAT-2 gene isn't as developed as Jibby's or Splenda's VMAT-2 gene.
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11-12-2010 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by luckyme
when you finally post your thesis on this "obvious and simple" claim you made ... it'll come down to "non-believers don't believe" .
Not to pile on, but I have to agree. This exchange seems relevant.

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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
I probably wasn't clear. From my perspective there is no such thing as 'living as if no god exists'. I tried to display this by the example previously given. Suppose that a theistic god exists. This theistic god has one single moral imperative for its special creation, humanity: Thou shalt live in a manner consistent with no gods existing.

I'm not mocking you from some position of assumed superiority; please do answer the question. Am I living as though no such god exists? If no, am I therefore living as though no god at all exists?

So I am only living as though no god as you think of gods being existed.
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
You are really just confusing the situation. Maybe I have not been clear. You are not living "as if" any God exists in the sense that there is no specific revealed deity that you are modeling your actions after, intentionally.

So yes, you could be living your life "as if" some hypothetical god exists, but that would be purely happenstance.
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
So all that you are saying is that I am not a theist.
Emphasis mine.
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11-12-2010 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
You yourself have said many times that you do no label yourself a christian for the purposes of this forum because you views differ so much. It is no secret that you and I disagree on many if not most discussion around here, so the fact that you disagreed with me here was no shocker to me. I expect that when I present a position that you disagree, just like I expect AIF, ILP, Madnak, OH, etc to disagree with me.

So it has nothing to do with not respecting your opinion. I greatly respect your opinion just like everyone else that I mention, as well as others here. But I fully expect you to disagree with me on most my positions.

On the opposite end, I agree with say NotReady on most things. Since we share most of the same views if he disagreed with me then it would be reason for pause as it is unexpected and there must be a reason why we would not agree on this one discussion when normally we do agree.

So I hope you don't take it the wrong way, it was in no way meant as a negative, but just a matter of fact.
This would seem reasonable if Bunny had simply posted "You are mistaken and should reconsider your position." To post it in response to Bunny's contribution in this thread is beyond words.
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11-12-2010 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Oshenz11
This would seem reasonable if Bunny had simply posted "You are mistaken and should reconsider your position." To post it in response to Bunny's contribution in this thread is beyond words.
What are the odds that Jibby actually read even 25% of what Bunny posted in this thread?
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11-12-2010 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Oshenz11
This would seem reasonable if Bunny had simply posted "You are mistaken and should reconsider your position." To post it in response to Bunny's contribution in this thread is beyond words.
Actually the post was made in response to OrP statement, and has nothing to do with any of Bunny's posts.
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11-12-2010 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Not to pile on, but I have to agree. This exchange seems relevant.







Emphasis mine.
That quote was taken out of context. Here is the part of your post I was replying to.

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I probably wasn't clear. From my perspective there is no such thing as 'living as if no god exists'. I tried to display this by the example previously given. Suppose that a theistic god exists. This theistic god has one single moral imperative for its special creation, humanity: Thou shalt live in a manner consistent with no gods existing.
Your argument was that 'living as if no god exists' is impossible because there could be some hypothetical God that exists that happens to prescribe exactly the way that you are living your life.
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11-12-2010 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
That quote was taken out of context. Here is the part of your post I was replying to.

Your argument was that 'living as if no god exists' is impossible because there could be some hypothetical God that exists that happens to prescribe exactly the way that you are living your life.
I don't see that as changing the significance of the bolded sentence - which in any case is preceded by you saying "Maybe I have not been clear", suggesting the bolded sentence is an elaboration of your stated position.

Edit: But anyway, let's not get sidetracked. Focus on bunny.
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11-12-2010 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
You yourself have said many times that you do no label yourself a christian for the purposes of this forum because you views differ so much. It is no secret that you and I disagree on many if not most discussion around here, so the fact that you disagreed with me here was no shocker to me. I expect that when I present a position that you disagree, just like I expect AIF, ILP, Madnak, OH, etc to disagree with me.

So it has nothing to do with not respecting your opinion. I greatly respect your opinion just like everyone else that I mention, as well as others here. But I fully expect you to disagree with me on most my positions.

On the opposite end, I agree with say NotReady on most things. Since we share most of the same views if he disagreed with me then it would be reason for pause as it is unexpected and there must be a reason why we would not agree on this one discussion when normally we do agree.

So I hope you don't take it the wrong way, it was in no way meant as a negative, but just a matter of fact.
Original Position was commenting on the fact I am a theist - the fact I'm not a christian doesn't really mean much.

Irrespective - how surprised or otherwise you'd be by a disagreement with me or NotReady isn't relevant. An argument shouldn't persuade you or deserve more scrutiny based on how surprising it is. There is no reason for you to pause and examine NotReady's claims with more charity than mine just because it surprises you that he disagrees with you. I would in fact argue that you will derive benefit from paying more attention to the arguments of those you disagree with (purely for psychological reasons, not logical ones).
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11-12-2010 , 09:27 PM
Wow, amazing posts by bunny. I hope Jibninjas does try to continue.

If you think about it, his task (assuming it makes sense) shouldn't be so hard, right?

After all, most Christians say that unbelief merits eternal destruction or even torture. So it seems perfectly natural to ask for criteria---such heinous evil should be straightforward to describe!

But in my experience even dogmatic Christians are suddenly weak-kneed at this simple task. One hears instead, "I don't know who will be saved, I don't want to speculate---that's for God to judge!"

So it will be interesting to see Jibninjas try to clarify matters.
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