Pride ftl

Actually more like spiritually angry at a dude who knows nothing about the bible nor believes anything about the bible, talking as if he does.

The other thing is that others on here actaully give him some credibility. What a joke this forum is sometimes.



Steve

you can live ur life as if free will does not exist; you do what you know is right and what you should do, bc thats way ur nurturing and surroundings has made u; wake up, work, lunch, dinner, go out, sleep, etc. all this makes a good case that free will really doesn't exist....

but all that can't control what you are wondering, questioning, believing and thinking; the questions about existence, the constant search for a meaning, the belief in not really knowing what to believe, dilemnas and paradoxes, and it goes on ^ infinity.

so does free will really NOT exist?

We never have to risk re-hardening our hearts or become salt that loses its flavor.

See Ruth 2:15 "And don't speak harshly to her". We can be spoiled by harsh treatment or emotional traumas. So take off or take a break.

Thats why most of your sweetest Christians on here rarely post, only debate or appease the atheists further confusing them.

Atheists are like drowning men. You throw them the life preserver but they can't grab it. So you dive in to hand it to them and that's when they try to pull you under. They wouldn't seriously approach learning any other topic this way but think its ok to debate religion like this. Plus you've always got the haters mixed in. They didn't come to discuss or even debate. They have a totally different aim so don't engage them at all. There's always more than the fair share of haters/fanatics around either politics or religion.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/spiritualwisdom :see #12 in particular

Hope that helps. Peace be with you!

really? i can click it and it works just fine,

http://www.iep.utm.edu/d/doxa-vol.htm

that is the URL, tell me if it works

Free will really does not exist.

facepalm.img

u say this bc ur a determinist (it is safe to say all determinists believe there is no free will), one that thinks everything (and every decision made) is based on prior occurrences and outside influences. but determinism does not explain how mental thought processes evolved from no prior occurrences or lack of surroundings for that matter to being filled with predetermined surroundings which ultimately makes the decision for the person...

aka free must have existed for the whole notion of determinism to exist.

Mental thought processes are likely a subset of physical processes. I'm not a classical determinist. And even if mental processes were nonphysical, that would still not imply that they don't interact causally.

there is no proof at all... that mental processes is solely dependent on physical processes. there isn't even proof that all mental processes are just mental processes.

our understanding of the brain and its relationship to physical processes has been more advanced in recent history, and but our understanding of the brain and its relation to mental processes/ideas is a joke, yet ppl have already made conclusions based on it.

Fascinating.

I've confronted dozens of false prophets in the last 20 years, and they never fail to say the exact same thing.

Welcome to the club....

Maybe it's just me. Still doesn't work.

Not that I have any problem with Christianity, more power to you...but do you ever consider the fact that there is more than 1 intelligent person in a world of nearly 7 billion?

oh well, if it still doesn't work google the term, it is exactly we are talking about

doh

The possibility is enough to refute your earlier reasoning.

So not a fact. Pretty sure it's wrong.

No. madnak and Zeno.

So, there are at least two, duh.

(Can I get my cookie in the mod forum now, please?)

Um, what?

No no, I'm an idiot, but Zeno maybe. I guess you can have half a cookie. Which, in the mod forum, probably just means a link to a porn site.

Less than one, definitely less than one.

Never mind, I think I know what you mean.

Silly madnak. Even us non-mod observers know where all the good mod forum porn is stashed....

Oh yeah, I forgot. That's creeeepy, the hoi polloi spying on us.