You guys know that it's not just "is Christianity real or not" right? You could die and find that Yahweh isn't real and end up in Hades, or Muslim hell, or many other hells. You guys know all the Christians and Atheists could end up in the same hell, right?

At which point the atheists would then be able to turn to the Christians to say, "I told you so." God I hope the Muslim Hell is real.

wtf, I have a REAL RELATIONSHIP with God, OP what you wrote is utter nonsense

[quote bible passages]

a lot of religions don't even have a hell. in fact, belief isn't even a requirement in some religions so we all have back up plans whether we know it/ believe it or not.

This is not particularly interesting as a subject, but it seems to reveal ignorance on the part of some of the post authors here. You do realize that the Koran has specific quotes that state that Christians and Jews can go to Heaven. Also, off point but the Catholic Church has declared that Muslims are following a valid path to salvation.

I know you would like to believe that all religions damn each other to Hell, but that really is more of an extremist or fundamentalist view. It exists, no argument. But to post as if it were universal is just wrong. Its not really even debatable.

Why do you damage your credibility with posts like this? I truly do not understand. It just makes you look stupid. I am not saying you are, just that is how you come across to someone who isn't stupid.

Maybe the catholic church does, but the protestant church definitely does not, at least not the majority of major sects.

Also, id like to see where in the Koran it says that Christians and Jews can go to heaven, i tried a quick google search and came up with nothing. thanks.

k i read this:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=71892

seems like the answer is that islams believe that any Christian who has heard about Islam and rejects it will be sent to hell, those who have not will be judged at the gates of heaven. This is pretty much the same belief that Protestant Christians hold.

Uh, no it isn't. Not even close.

Need I remind you that the same Catholic Church, using that same bible declared the exact opposite 1k years ago? What do they say about atheists these days, are they on a valid path as well?

This subject of "change" is actually very interesting imo and I'll make a thread about it later.

Reading some of the comments I would say that there is a lot of grey area in the interpretation, which does not surprise me. I am Catholic so in one sense the Catholic website is ok with me. To be fair though, I have been very critical of people who have used fundamentalist Protestant websites as sources for their view of Catholic doctrine. I would have to question using a Catholic website as a source for Islamic theology.

Please don't.

Science advances and becomes more sophisticated. Why wouldn't religion?

Concerning atheists, the official line is that atheism is a dangerous ideology but that atheists should be treated with compassion and respect. God knows I try, but you are surely a test for me Eddi.

John 3:17 "For God (A)did not send the Son into the world (B)to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

18"(C)He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of (D)the only begotten Son of God.



I just go with the bible and believe if i dont except Jesus as my savior and he is real im doomed like it says.

Where did it say "doomed"?

Whoops i left off 3:16.

John 3:16 "For God so (W)loved the world, that He (X)gave His (Y)only begotten Son, that whoever (Z)believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

17"For God (AA)did not send the Son into the world (AB)to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

18"(AC)He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of (AD)the only begotten Son of God.

There is some good stuff in John from the perspective of the quality of the writing.

"I am the resurrection and the life, saith the Lord: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die".

I was nearly in tears when I read that at the end of 'A Tale of Two Cities' where the hero is about to be executed.

btw, people who follow islam are not called islams, they are called muslims.

in today's modern world, how many christians haven't heard of islam? it's almost impossible to have never been exposed to it. or are you saying christians that have never opened the koran to study it couldn't truly know the virtues of islam so their ignorance could be forgiven?

if other religions have this same belief then it'd be better off to never have heard of any religion at all, so when we die we are judged by how we lived our lives rather than what we believed or didn't believe.

I just want to know why Jesus went all crazy with the verily verily stuff.

i dunno, i think its all ridiculous, and if there is really a God who decides your eternal fate based solely on your belief in him/her, than that God is strange and a very weird dude.

as for protestant belief, i believe the a big minority (or even majority) of protestants (like minus baptists) will say that they believe God will judge people who have never had a chance to hear the gospel differently than those who have ... who knows, guess you should ask the hardcore christians here what they think.