Is this propaganda?

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9...eature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOqGhcwwE1s

Regards
DL

You didn't announce you were a Deist. This is primarily an atheist forum.

As for evidence we have various kinds of it. God seems to have made it mostly the "tamper proof kind".

That's why people running around with the evidence question are kind of lame. They never even stop to consider if evidence can be tampered with and if it will be tampered with over time.

Take a look at scripture. Interpretations are tampered and revised alot.

But the way things are set up is foolproof. Just the way faith works ought to be enough to convince you there is a greater mind than a human one behind things.

If there was even one person on earth with faith then we would all know it.

This is how a true Christian show his faith.
You might note that there is no one here with faith.
If there was, we would all know it.

Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Mark 16:17-18.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

There is a small mountain of 16,000 people that will starve today and tomorrow and so on if you do not step up and show your faith.

Unfortunately, there are no true believers. Just hypocrites.

The above is how a true Christian show his faith.

You might note that there is no one here with faith.
If there was, we would all know it.

Regards
DL

Sorry but you're a victim of both literal interpretation and magical thinking.

Jesus is training his disciples in focus.

Here's some info on the passage: http://www.tgm.org/MustardSeed.html

Some things in the bible aren't outward truth.

They are inward spiritual ones.

"People should not worry as much about what they do but rather about what they are. If they and their ways are good, then their deeds are radiant. If you are righteous, then what you do will also be righteous. We should not think that holiness is based on what we do but rather on what we are, for it is not our works which sanctify us but we who sanctify our works." - Meister Eckhart

Thanks for the dogma.

Strange that you would know exactly what your mysterious and unfathomable God is up to.

And you say I am in fantasy mode.

Perhaps we will find common ground elsewhere.

Regards
DL

I have trouble believing you are a Deist. You speak in much too certain a vein to be one.

What is a Deist anyway? Most likely its just someone who read too much into the span of time between Christ's Resurrection and today and got restless. Why can't God have us on modified autopilot? The way you let a washing machine run but if it tilts you open the lid and re-arrange the clothes. You know only so much can go wrong within the washing machine.

We are not machines and the machine does not have a God who is said to have made it perfect. Your God makes that claim.

As to how I got where I am, apotheosis or rapprochement to the Godhead.
Most do not believe in apotheosis let alone that I touched the mind of the cosmic consciousness that is our next evolutionary step. I unfortunately have no more proof for this than the ancient prophets that wrote your Bible.
Same Godhead but they just added way too many imaginary attribute that can be refuted.

Look up the definition of omnipotence for instance and think about the unlimited persuasion powers that God is said to have while He could not persuade Satan or A & E or so many more from then to now. His unlimited power seems to have limits right from the beginning.

Regards
DL

Please tell us more about this, we may believe you.....

Omnipotence, does not override freewill, especially if within His Omnipotence He made a decree that Freewill could not be overridden even by Himself.

That makes 100% logical sense, an All Loving Omnipotent creator that limits His Omnipotence based on the loving concept of giving all His creation Freewill.

Gods not stupid though, he had a plan and a hearts desire to have loving spiritual children that would choose to love him back by their own freewill decsions, which is much more loving than using His omnipotence to force someone to do something.

[QUOTE=Greatest I am;20330204]We are not machines and the machine does not have a God who is said to have made it perfect. Your God makes that claim.

I didn't say we were machines. I was comparing the world to a machine that runs on a cycle with few interventions.


As to how I got where I am, apotheosis or rapprochement to the Godhead.
Most do not believe in apotheosis let alone that I touched the mind of the cosmic consciousness that is our next evolutionary step. I unfortunately have no more proof for this than the ancient prophets that wrote your Bible.
Same Godhead but they just added way too many imaginary attribute that can be refuted.

You'll have to describe this. Apotheosis is some what vague.

Look up the definition of omnipotence for instance and think about the unlimited persuasion powers that God is said to have while He could not persuade Satan or A & E or so many more from then to now. His unlimited power seems to have limits right from the beginning.

I don't feel the need to argue the degree of "omnipotence" because I take it on faith and from the observation if God did make the world then his power with respect to me is certainly omnipotent. We have inherent limitations in language and/or maybe in our current state that reduces our comprehension of the concept of omnipotence to speculation as to what exactly it means. Also the scientific mind confuses itself wrangling over "terms" in the absence of information. I generally find some arguments useless because I mainly weigh things in relation to myself and my own experiences and this is typical of the female brain and its approach to reality.

You know your unfathomable and mysterious God well.
How?
Other than hears say please.
Apotheosis perhaps?

Regards
DL

[QUOTE=Splendour;20331814] LOL.

Got ya.
One for me. 0 for you.

Regards
DL

[QUOTE=Greatest I am;20349610]
Dream on...

[QUOTE=Splendour;20351193] Only a loser hides behind faith.

Faith without facts is for fools.

If you have faith then get at what Jesus says for you to do.

This is how a true Christian show his faith.
You might note that there is no one here with faith.
If there was, we would all know it.

Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Mark 16:17-18.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

There is a small mountain of 16,000 people that will starve today and tomorrow and so on if you do not step up and show your faith.

Unfortunately, there are no true believers. Just hypocrites.

You might note that there is no one here with faith.
If there was, we would all know it.

Regards
DL

Already responded to this.

Your funny, you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to the bible, your like a blind person in a art gallery. Fumbling around.

When peope die in the old testament its exactly their freewill decisions that caused the destruction. You also have to recognize (which yo udo not) that there are 2 Gods biblically,

1. the true God, and
2. the devil,

who does all kinds of evil and blames it on the true God via peoples mouths who do not believe nor understand the spritual realm.

Thats okay though, I will leave this conversation alone, because its impossible to teach someone spiritual truths first of all, when they already think they know the truth and secondly when they cant even understand them because they do not have whats needed to understand spiritual truths, which is holy spirit.

You see your a natural man of the 5 senses and in order to even begin to understand God and the things of God, the spritual realm you have to have holy spirit.