That's not true. From a logical standpoint, you can believe in no gods, one god or a plurality of gods.

The other problem with your methodology is that the same methodology is followed by other religions. Had you first approached Islam, and thought it was sensible, and it said that Allah was the only true God, you would have to conclude that Christianity and Hinduism are wrong. (as currently happens by billions of people)

Perhaps all of the religions seem equally plausible if you study their texts and open yourself to the possibility that they're real, but you've incorrectly concluded that the others are false, without really giving them equal consideration, simply because you accepted as real the first one that you considered.

We can understand it enough that we can believe in it, but we know we won't fully understand until we die.

We believe in many things we can't fully understand, such as an infinite personal being, eternity, free will with an omniscient deity, etc.

Very nice.
Thanks for this.

Constantine and the early Orthodox did have quite a field day killing opposition, burning scriptures and as you say banishing those they could not force to the new Christianity.

The Gnostics were high on their list since they were the goats, so to speak, to the sheep.
They were way to progressive and would just not cow tow to stupid unexplainable doctrine that placed men between us and God thus severing the personal for the hierarchical Church. Early Christians were quite a barbaric lot.

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Are both your persona equal?
Do both share the same knowledge and information?

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Can you sacrifice you to you?

John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

latians 1:1
Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—

Want more?

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Typical. Hide behind a miracle.

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Was man not given dominion ever the earth?
The Bible says he was and history proves it.

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Your most welcome, the truth is quite enlightning for those who really want it.

One thing I have noticed is that many unbelievers see the logic in what I am saying, its obvious I am a believer, but the truth I am saying rings loudly in even atheists ears that something is amuck in the trinity doctrine that NO ONE seems to grasp.

Would you also consider the double slit experiment a 'miracle'?

also, lol.

Believe me, I do not think that Jib will believe the words you are saying even though they are in the bible, I hope he does, and that he steps back and takes a honest look at his own beliefs in this regard because there are soo many more of these in the bible that I could spend days pointing them out.

Jib, if you read this, you do not have to admit you are wrong on this publick forum, I understand that it can be hard to admit error at times, but the word is so obvious about this, there are sooo many clear verses about this subject in light of the very few verses that people like to use to go the other way, which also can be easily explained to a person who is honestly want to learn.

Its not a big deal to have been taught wrongly and believe wrongly in Gods eyes, what is a big deal is when you are presented with clear and plain evidence to the contrary and still decide not to believe or change in light of the new evidence or knowledge.

Not to start a thumping contest, that is a bore but----Is man repenting a work? I think so.

2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2

1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Many that love to hate do not like my stance that any miracle working super God would not have His will thwarted by men and that God would never have to create an immoral construct like hell. That would make Him less moral than men.

What a game for God to play!
Create a place for eternal bliss as well as a place for eternal suffering.
Then create beings whom you love dearly and watch over.
And in the end, decide which to consider "trash" and "throw away" into the place for eternal suffering and which to cling to and love in the place for eternal bliss.
Even man, with all his faults, is greater and more responsible.

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The Church sold that notion for a long time though.

One word should prove what I say.

Indulgences.

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If you are right and faith leads to works then I submit that there is not one man on earth with faith as described by Jesus.

This is how a true Christian show his faith.
You might note that there is no one here with faith.
If there was, we would all know it.

Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Mark 16:17-18.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

There is a small mountain of 16,000 people that will starve today and tomorrow and so on if you do not step up and show your faith.

Unfortunately, there are no true believers. Just hypocrites.

The above is how a true Christian show his faith.

You might note that there is no one here with faith.
If there was, we would all know it.

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Correct, man is in charge, but he has no choice but to operate within the confines that have already been laid out by God, the physical laws and the spiritual laws have been set.

The physical laws are pretty well known by most people, but the spiritual laws that govern the universe and supercede the physical laws and that the physical laws are sunject to are hardly known at all.

Meh. I wouldn't even debate the Trinity on here. It disturbs the unity of believers discussed in the book of Ephesians.

It's enough to know this:

From the book of John chatper 5:

22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

A & E were evicted from the garden for being as Gods, knowing good and evil.
What do you mean we cannot understand God?

Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

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Not when you understand what repent means, its simply a change of heart, when you look up the words used for repent you see that its basically a complete turn about mentally, not physically.

Unity? I agree that it really shakes up the apple cart, but if we are truly going to be unified on the truth then the truth has to be held forth.

You logically and morally believe that it is good justice then for God to use genocide on man?

Including the murder of innocent children and babies who could not possible be evil?

I think that any God who can cure as easily as kill and chooses to kill instead of cure is an immoral God.

Do you agree?

What is better for a moral God. To be known as a genocidal maniac or a great healer?

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Of course man cannot fully understand God, but that does not mean we cannot understand the word of God. Words are used to explain things so people do understand.

To say that God is not capable to explain things to us in words so that we understand, is to say that God is not God.

So many people on this forum love to just throw their hands up in the air as if to surrender if they cannot explain something and then use the old cliche, its a mystery that cannot be understood.

Why then use words at all, why then would God even speak about this subject? To confuse us, I dont think so, the problem is people, not God nor His word. People refusing to change their ideas and concepts and beliefs to line up with exactly what Gods word says.

I think that you are honest, because if you were not you could not see the things you are seeing, I do not know your heart nor what you believe but at least you see through most of the lies and the trickery that others on here are so trapped in....

Now you know how others feel, not just non believers but also this Deist, my closest label, when I try to talk sense to a believer who finds it more comforting than thought and study, to go hide behind the words mysterious ways and unfathomable.

You and I will not agree on many things but on the trinity, we are brothers.

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No I think you are busy raising the letter of the law over the spirit.

Do you really think God is so absent in the whole faith process?

1 John says:

20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[d] 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ.

None of the Christians are denying Jesus is the Christ so none of them are liars.

No. It is reproducible by man.

Talking animals would be quite the miracle because there are no talking animal schools and we know from the unfortunate feral children that have been found that without access to schooling or instruction from a parent, the ability to speak does not develop.

Staffs that turn into snakes and water walking immortal Gods who can somehow die, sort of, would also be miracles.

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I guess God omitted a few lessons in scripture then.

I do not know how a spiritual law could exceed or break the laws of physics or nature though.

Do you have an example to share?

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Be it physical work or mental work it is still work.

When you word a post, does the work of the brain not preced the work of the fingers.

I don't know about you but repenting for me is quite hard.

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What? What does any of this have to do with my post?