A question for Trinitarians.

Let’s check the math on the Trinity.
Math never lies.

Is God/Trinity 100% God or 300% or 400% ?

God the Father is 100% God.
God the Holy Spirit is 100% God.
God the Son is 100% God.
Jesus is 100% Man.

All would have their individual Natures. These natures should all be equal yet scripture is clear that they are not. I E. Cursing the Holy Spirit.

The Trinity must then consist of the God the Father nature, God the Holy Spirit nature, Jesus/God Nature and Jesus/Man Nature.

Is that not four distinct Natures?

Trinity means three, should we not be calling it something else?
Monotheism is one, should Christianity take that title or attribute?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII6-...eature=related

Regards
DL

I am a Trinitarian, I have obviously thought the same mathematical way as you did. But please note. You can not add up the 100%'s, because the Trinity is more complex than we can describe via our languages/mathematics. Also, 100% is not really about the percentage, it is about describing the perfection, because outsiders might think if we use 33.3333% * 3, that the 3 parts are not total, or perfect. Or if outsiders want to mathematically describe the nature(s) of Christ, if defenders of this doctrine would have used 2*50%, outsides would think that there's something missing in His 'Godness' or 'humanness'.

Also, you can not split Christ into 2 * 100%'s. Christ is of 2 natures and not in 2 natures, like the nestorians think. Orthodox Christianity teaches (The Miaphysite/Coptic Christological version): "one (mia) nature of the Word of God incarnate" (μία φύσις τοῦ θεοῦ λόγου σεσαρκωμένη mia physis tou theou logou sesarkōmenē)." Miaphysitism. Also see: "human" and "divine" are united in one "without mingling, without confusion, without alteration"... => http://orthodoxwiki.org/Church_of_Al...a_%28Coptic%29

Trinity should be better renamed as Tri-unity.
Monotheism is the belief in one God, which still describes the Trinitarian view of God.

**** i am so confused how can i speak with people in another countrys

how can my letters sahow up on other people screen machines

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kreSbagj_RM

I don't know who said this first, but I totally agree with it: "If you can explain the trinity, then you don't understand it."

Pretty sure you're confusing the trinity with quantum mechanics.

Yet scripture clearly shows that the three heads have different attributes and knowledge and stature.
You cannot have that and only one God consciousness or mind.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

As an aside.
As to your ideas on perfection, to believe that God is perfect and not evolving perfection, you must believe that all around us is perfect as well. Evils and woes and all. I see it and scripture points to this fact.
Do you see God's perfection all about?

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Regards
DL

Unconvincing in light of my responce to Aigyptos.
Please look above. One Godhead cannot somehow loose knowledge.

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DL

Logical. Not.

Only those, like yourself, who believe in fantasy characters like talking animals and water walking immortal God, who can somehow die, would accept such a quote or saying. Grow up out of fantasy please. Adulthood awaits.

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DL

Why can't you have three persons into one essence, when all three persons are different (have different attributes), yet still equal? For me it is a non-sequitur, please explain.

If the Holy Spirit and the Father have different attributes, they can not be part of one essence/God?

John 14:28, you can google various interpretations about this, I am not very sure yet.

Matthew 24:36, IMO you should not be reading this as the Son that does not know when that day will come, he's just not the decider of the date of the day. So the Father decides when the day comes that Christ will return to Earth and judge the living and the dead.

God's creation was perfect at the moment he created, but it has been perverted since the fall of men (Adam and Eve).

So if you have a God with three distinct minds or consciousness as you say, then you must have 3 distinct God's. So much for monotheism.

As to perfection not maintaining itself. If it cannot then your God did not quite make it perfect enough or you do not recognize the perfection of God's system. If perfection can go to imperfection then that would explain how God missed the mark, sinned, in creating man and why He sinned again by using genocide on man and innocent children and babies.

You have God's perfect tree producing corrupt fruit. That would mean that God made the tree imperfect in the first place according to the Bible itself.

Regards
DL

If God is analogous to water, ice and vapor then the Holy Ghost is vapor, Jesus is water and the Father and God of the O T is ice.

O T God deserves to have lost our love and it is no wonder that He was replaced by Jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fyJs...layer_embedded

Or at least the Bible writers hoped that we would be forgiving enough to accept Jesus. I am not.
I do not mind Jesus so much even with his unworkable sayings as a Rabbi and fully human but if he is the O T God then I have a bullet with justice and his name written on it.

That is justice for any that would use genocide on man.

Regards
DL

The title of this thread sounds like the title of an episode of the original Star Trek. Thought "The Trouble with Trinitarians" would have nailed it.

I think the reason Christians aren't posting more about this central doctrine of the faith (at least me) is because this debate has been done to death, if you want info just google search it, and neither side will change their minds obviously.

there is very little posted in this forum that has not been debated to death and where 99% of the people reading are about to change their minds.

Agreed, but this thread with this poster takes the cake.

I have to admit I only read the first half of the OP and kind of drifted off. I thought the title was more interesting then the content of the post.

Lighten up! It was a joke. And I do not believe in fantasy characters. Why do you have trouble with the notion that if there was a being powerful enough to create the whole universe, that it wouldn't be much trouble for that being to make an animal talk?

On another point, why do you like talking down to people? Why can't you just discuss the topic at hand without being a jerk?

Cute.

Have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDbesQQi9yc

Regards
DL

Ouch.

You will have to teach me how to improve my style. English is not my mother tongue and I can always learn.

Perhaps if I see something better it will help.

Regards
DL

Because I do not suffer fools well.

Especially those who use the words if, perhaps and maybe where inappropriate.

Regards
DL

this is a lot simpler than what is being described in previous posts, but someone told bill maher to think of the trinity as one would think of water, ice and steam.

I haven't seen that version but I'm familiar with it. I like Sagan.

Don't get me wrong. Your style was only a small part of the issue.

I just didn't see that the question would go anywhere. For starters, I don't think most believers even pretend that its logical or that they understand it.

Some Christians (Pletho on this forum, for instance) don't believe it.

And those that claim to understand it may all disagree with each other.

It just didn't seem to me to have potential to go anywhere.

If God is analogous to water, ice and vapor then the Holy Ghost is vapor, Jesus is water and the Father and God of the O T is ice.

O T God deserves to have lost our love and it is no wonder that He was replaced by Jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fyJs...layer_embedded

Or at least the Bible writers hoped that we would be forgiving enough to accept Jesus. I am not.
I do not mind Jesus so much even with his unworkable sayings as a Rabbi and fully human but if he is the O T God then I have a bullet with justice and his name written on it.

That is justice for any that would use genocide on man.

Regards
DL