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Originally Posted by Me
Yea! My time spent with my youth group as a kid sorting cans in a food bank was hateful nonsense! We were so evil to volunteer our time to help others in our community. We should have been prosecuted for hate crimes.
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Originally Posted by Rathix
You don't have to belong to a religious youth group to volunteer in the community. Volunteering does not negate the fact that you were taught intolerance, hatred, and a flat out rejection towards logical or rational thought. It is 2013 and it really blows my mind that such an archaic belief system is still widely accepted.
The ironing is delicious...
First of all, you're right. I didnt need to be part of a church in order to see the value of volunteerism. I could have been taught that with any number of community organizations, schools, or even my friends/family. But I was said that basically all churches teach their kids "hateful nonsense" (never mind the inherent hate latent in that statement) and that, ego, I was taught to be hateful. I will gladly say that I am no less than 95% free of hateful speech or acts towards other people because my church taught me that God values people no matter who they are and that we should be good to people no matter how much we may dislike them. So because of that, what my church (and my parents) taught me was:
- Though I don't agree with the act or want to see it happen much, I support gay marriage because the strongest arguments against it are religious in nature and we don't live in a theocracy and what consenting people do with each other in the bedroom is between them and God.
- What you do about your response to God in however way you've understood Him is ultimately between you and Him. No form of coercion will ever change that, so why engage in that?
- Regardless of what you believe or don't believe, any law for/against or whitting of our religious rights, whether Christian, Muslim, or pagan; harms my personal freedom because once that happens, only the popular are protected and we are acting against the very thing over half of my country was founded upon.
But hey, y'know, I've totally been brainwashed to hate.
I can only laugh at the this post, because someone who clearly doesn't know me, doesn't know my upbringing, or has had any interactions with me at all (probably hasn't even read my posts) is painting me with a broad stroke assuming that I am a certain way just because I identify myself with a certain group of people.
Prejudging me if you want to say it simply... and he says I'm the one who has been taught to think illogically.
It really helps your argument to not present yourself as the very thing you are arguing against because, at best, you mageralinize yourself as a blithering God-hater who is angry at His invisible father in the sky. Who wants to be like that?
Say you do convince them that their religion has turned them to become hateful, what will they do? Trade in their hate for your hate? I mean, why would they do that? At least their hate has a retirement plan...