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With time travel we could at least settle some questions I have with regards to the resurrection and other miracles Jesus performed. I would also keep a close watch on Mary around 9 months before Jesus was born. I think that would settle a lot about Christianity.

With Judaism I would have a peek when Moses gets the commandments.

This would still not settle the question about god or gods in general but we would have a much better idea about the origin of specific religions and if there is any truth in their claims.

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05-10-2013 , 04:38 AM

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You think your personal observation would be definitive? Perhaps you're not planning to sleep?

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With Judaism I would have a peek when Moses gets the commandments.

When did that happen?

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This would still not settle the question about god or gods in general but we would have a much better idea about the origin of specific religions and if there is any truth in their claims.

It would be fascinating, no doubt about that.

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05-10-2013 , 04:53 AM

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I would also keep a close watch on Mary around 9 months before Jesus was born.

Heh, there's a movie in that. Or at least an Asimov-style short story. Obviously you need to get close to her to maintain observation, worm your way into her good graces. And Joseph's always busy with the carpentry...

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You think your personal observation would be definitive? Perhaps you're not planning to sleep?

No such problem with time travel and miniature camera's. If my camera's missed something then I just time travel and put up another camera.

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When did that happen?

Time travel will make it easy to determine that. Would not be too hard to find the date for the right pharaoh and follow Moses. Of course if I can't find Moses then that would tell us enough about that story.

Of course like All-in Flynn implied it would be bad if you get too close to Mary and find out you are the father of Jesus.

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Didn't terminator essentially do that already?

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No such problem with time travel and miniature camera's. If my camera's missed something then I just time travel and put up another camera.

And this activity wouldn't draw unwelcome attention? I think that this would be much harder in practice than you imagine.

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Again, much easier to say than to do. How would you 'follow' Moses? How would you find him in the first place?

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Didn't terminator essentially do that already?

Unlike the Terminator storyline, I don't think there's a paradox created by being the father of Jesus. It might give one an inflated sense of self importance though as well as taking smugness to a whole new level.

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Didn't terminator essentially do that already?

The initials match, anyway.

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And this activity wouldn't draw unwelcome attention? I think that this would be much harder in practice than you imagine.

I can bring a nice drone with good infrared camera's. Will probably tell me all I need to know.

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Again, much easier to say than to do. How would you 'follow' Moses? How would you find him in the first place?

Finding Moses is easy. There are so many names, cities, kings and pharaohs mentioned in that part of the bible that it is not hard to just jump between dates until you find something that matches and work you way backward to the plagues in Egypt. And if the bible is correct the amount of people that followed him is large enough for me to go unnoticed. My trusty drone will be able to record what really happened on that mountain.

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I can bring a nice drone with good infrared camera's. Will probably tell me all I need to know.

Finding Moses is easy. There are so many names, cities, kings and pharaohs mentioned in that part of the bible that it is not hard to just jump between dates until you find something that matches and work you way backward to the plagues in Egypt. And if the bible is correct the amount of people that followed him is large enough for me to go unnoticed. My trusty drone will be able to record what really happened on that mountain.

It sounds like you have technology so advanced that you don't really need to be there at all?

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According to the OP I have time travel and I just pointed out that time travel is clearly enough to test the origins of all current religions but not the existence of god(s). Thought that was obvious but maybe I have seen more star trek episodes than you.

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05-11-2013 , 07:02 AM

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Maybe, and maybe I've read more 'hard science' Sci Fi than you and have a more realistic view of the practical problems associated with Time Travel.

Suppose you travel back and somehow surveille Mary. Despite your close scrutiny she gets pregnant without you having witnessed any act of impregnation. Is that enough for you to now agree that the Immaculate Conception really occurred? Under what circumstances could you be sure that you didn't just miss something?

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05-11-2013 , 07:08 AM

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I thought scientists accept the possibility of time travel to the future but not the possibility of time travel to the past.

"Any kind of time travel to the past through wormholes or any other method is probably impossible, otherwise paradoxes would occur. So sadly, it looks like time travel to the past is never going to happen. A disappointment for dinosaur hunters and a relief for historians."

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog...-possible.html

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If you cant time travel to the past then why even bother with a time machine, just invent a cryo-stasis machine.

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If my scrutiny was close enough then yes I would accept the immaculate conception. I might get a dna sample of Jesus as well though. Can't be that hard to get some blood while he is on the cross.

Not really sure what you are trying to argue here though. My position is that with time travel we will be able to establish the origins of religion. Even if all we can do is observe the past and not interact with it. But even if we find there was an immaculate conception and Jesus returned from the dead it would still not settle the question on the existence of god(s).

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If the Loch Ness monster was proven to be real tomorrow, would you then believe that leprechauns are real?

Visiting this forum is like being on crazy pills sometimes.

Haha seriously... But dude leprechauns are real. They are in every box of lucky charms

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I don't understand. If you don't have a naturalistic explanation for something, that means you don't have a naturalistic explanation for it, not that it must be supernatural.

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