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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
It seems that the objection is that the argument becomes circular if we claim things are right or wrong if God exists, then turn around and say that God exists if things are objectively right or wrong.
I believe that he is trying to avoid this by stating the argument works if one already affirms that objective right and wrong exists. In other words one must start out with the affirmation that objective morality already exists for the argument to carry any weight.
The argument only "works" logically (based on the form presented here) if one starts with the affirmation that God is responsible for morality.
He's basically saying in the second quote that he isn't really claiming this as a premise, he's just "putting it out there" and then seeing the consequences.
I mean, he has defined his premise as just "proposing an answer to a question left open by the meaning of 'right' and 'wrong.'" So his argument is that if we "propose" God as the source of morality, then God exists! Genius!
It's more babble that isn't even designed to be logical. He's given a poorly-constructed ontological argument and then he has backtracked and claimed that the premises aren't asserted claims but just "proposed answers" to questions of the universe.