The solution is easy: Pray to your invisible sky daddy to reduce the tilt.

True Believer preachers leading flock with mass services during pandemic. Reality doesn't matter. The magic offered in the Bible matters. This is the true nature of religion. God is telling me what to do, not epidemiologists. Is that a problem? Does reality matter or 2000 year old ideas of superstitious supernaturalism?

Oh Fella. Never thought I'd come to you.

What is your definition of "reality"?

What is your definition superstitious supernaturalism?

Come play with me.......

Take your medicine, says Nature. Your medicine is reality. Your reality is how you actually feel, not how you medicate that via taking drugs or throwing flames. This wise medicine is where character and courage come from, and its refusal is where immorality comes from. Everything is teacher, including pandemic, illness, dying.

That's a weird answer to the questions, but, thanks.

"The end of dogma is the beginning of morality." -- Immanuel Kant.

This idea that there is no morality without supernaturalism, i.e. gods, and the spewings of such mass murdering gods, is the total failure to think in the moral realm. It is pure ceding of morality to a pre-medieval time of brutality and ignorance. And worse, it is pure authoritarianism, as if defaulting on such a thing as thinking about morality and giving it elsewhere, is good instead of highly immoral.

Yes, I agree that idea is insane.

However, does that preclude the supernatural?

It doesn't look like it to me, for christ's sake. It's a total non-sequitur question.

Damn, have we just agreed on two things in row? We're on a roll!

How the Christian value system turns morality around:

1. The torture of another person to my benefit is disgusting.
2. Obedience is not a virtue but a vice.
3. Faith is not a virtue but a superstition.
4. Authoritarianism is not a virtue but a vice.
5. Is it really that Jehovah is so much like pre-medieval man, or did man just make him up in his own image.
6. Sacrifice isn't cool.
7. Drinking blood isn't cool.
8. Instructing someone to sacrifice their child then calling it off at the last second is traumatic on father and child. I tell you what, let's be god-like. Do the same to your child; terrorize him with a knife ... its a very godly and moral thing to do after all.
9. What do you say when proselytizing for god we make ourselves invisible? Like He does.
10. Murdering the people in the town next door is immoral. Not righteous. Hello.
11. Slavery is not a cool thing.
12. Torture and threats of torture are OF A MEDIEVAL MIND, not a god who is love.
13. Killing millions for being human is not particularly moral.
14. Dogma is anti-thought and anti-truth.
15. Half the religion is borrowed.
16. Stoning children for misbehaving or women for having sex out of wedlock is not okay. HOW CAN YOU STAND BY THIS STUFF???

.... and then you go off the deep end again.

But really who is off he deep end, those who believe all that list of 16 and consider it the moral high road to be obedient too it ... or, one who points out the absurdity of it.

I'll take my place alongside Nietzsche and Voltaire as opposed to the true believers. Alas, all debates with non-rationalists deteriorate into irrelevant balderdash, this because they have to keep the discussion there as misdirection against the charge that they believe drinking blood is magic.

My point was reductio ad absurdum.

Oh.

Here is both a serious and a satirical question about proving Christianity. If some other religion or belief system was into drinking blood of their leader as a magic salvation potion, what would you think about it? Now place the origin of it thousands of years ago when all manners of magic, saviors, sacrifices and ignorance reigned. Apply your critical thinking to that situation in evaluating the indoctrination inherent in such beliefs.

Sorry I haven't been keeping up on this forum.

A lot of personal stuff going on. Have relocated twice since late February and will probably have to move again soon.

Was supposed to have a some chess-teaching gigs, but then my schools shut down.

Will try to catch up this week with the Forum.

God bless!