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Originally Posted by MacOneDouble
With my chair analogue argument attempt, I seemed to have shown Aaron's logic to be sound. It was also an attempt to see if a premise is wrong. Obviously a chair can be made of different materials. Rationally, the universe is made of different compounds, which possess different properties, but are part of the universe. Singular.
Sigh. One can imagine a chair without a leg because it's not
necessarily true that a chair has legs. For example, a rocking chair doesn't have legs and is still a chair.
One cannot imagine a universe without mind. If you don't believe me, go ahead and try. Except,
you can't use your mind to do it. That would be begging the question.
The universe and minds (self-awareness) are not removable from each other. Take out mind, and you don't have a universe. Take out the universe, and you don't have mind. It is
necessarily true that the universe is self-aware, because we are the universe and we are self-aware. This proposition cannot be attacked because 1. you need a mind to attack it and 2. attempting to attack it is to concurrently attack the basis of your own existence.
So no, any 'logic' stated in the thread opposing this isn't remotely sound. It's either an honest misunderstanding, or it's willful ignorance. In Aaron's case it amazingly seems to be both.