Atheist: I don't think there is any good evidence for the existence of god.

Agnostic: I don't blame you. I don't think the existence of god is even knowable.

Atheist: Wanna get a beer?

Just wanted to pop in this thread and say a quick happy Independence day to...oh...never mind...

I don't agree with your definition of an atheist...

atheist
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Sir, it's not very compelling if you begin any argument with these words. Athiests don't believe what the bible says. It reads as nothing more than a collection of fables. You may as well start quoting L. Rod Hubbard.

Sir, thank you. That is the probably the funniest thing I've read in this forum. Bless.

everyone "used to be an atheist"

people aren't born believing in god because babies don't think that badly of themselves, until they are taught to.

Because it took me a while to classify it as an outright abomination.

Thinking and observation precede classification, y'know.

Of course, people are a lot tamer and more well mannered than they used to be in the ole wild SMP days of religious discussions rather like poker in the road gamblers day before the casinos took over to moderate things.

I suppose my constant protesting of the general uncouthness on here could have had something to do with that.

Or else maybe some better posters arriving have tempered the mix on here a bit.

Thank you for your request.

But I'm no longer supplying evidence.

I came to the conclusion that seeking evidence promotes active belief over passive belief. It seems to me it pleases God when people seek to actively know Him on a personal basis. So it wouldn't be fair of me to take away your opportunity to seek Him now would it?

Besides most of these people on here jump to argue without considering the evidence and your personal chance at really understanding God could get swept way with the crowd.

You see people do negatively and positively impact each other in how they perceive things.

If you start to use your own mind independently though and actively seek Him without a lot of negative preconceptions then He might throw you a bone.

Instead of 'evidence', we get this load of bollocks.

Sorry, but you're new to the forum and know none of it's history to even know what goes on on here.

So why don't you refrain from commenting.

You obviously like most people on here have never made your own personal search for God.

so you have to be a theist who's been on this forum for ages to post ITT? or can a new poster who's a theist post? But definitely not if he's an atheist, no way.

Well, of course, you should be able to post itt.

But just be aware it's dangerous posting in this forum at all because most people on here want to sway you.

I'm lucky I have a very independent mind so I was able to make my personal search for God and find Him. It's consumed a large portion of the latter part of my life but that's probably because I actually tried to do something for Him.

Just remember if you get too mired in sin and atheistic claptrap it could affect your mind's independence.

Then you are not thinking by and for yourself any more.

Someone else could be thinking for you.

Since there are always so many people on here and few of the regulars left posting that can relate to what I'm saying I'm hoping to depart this forum soon. I'd like to keep my mind clean from all the dirty attempts to sway me towards unbelief. This forum has taken up way too much of my time mostly because of the evil sway on here.

No worries, I shall refraining from replying to any of your posts. I trust you will promise to do the same with mine.

Sure, I can put you on ignore. I'll do that after this post if you want.

You can bond your mind to good or to evil in this world. All it takes is an act of the will to do that then you're operating out of either good or evil sometimes consciously and sometimes unconsciously.

BOOM FAIL! You really are dim aren't you. Gloves are off. You'd better drape some crucifixes and rub yourself in garlic ... I'm comin to get ya.

Your all over the place...

The terms agnostic and atheist get misused a fair bit, especially by those who don't identify as being in those groups. Essentially, theism and atheism are positions on belief while gnosticism and agnosticism are positions on knowledge.

Therefore the relationship between the terms theist, agnostic and atheist doesn't really work on only one axis.

Here's a diagram that explains it pretty well:



I do disagree slightly with adsf in that I think the proportion of theists who are gnostic is much much higher than the proportion of atheists that are gnostic.

agnostic/gnostic really means whether someone claims to know either way. a gnostic atheist claims to know that there isn't a god, an agnostic atheist doesn't claim to know, just doesn't believe one exists. The same could be said about gnostic/agnostic theists.

Lol...dim?

Christians are the children of light.

Most likely.

What's belief without action?

Most Christians will tell you you're suppose to be a doer of the Word.

Don't you have to know something to act on it?

If you don't know something and act on it isn't that self contradictory?

I saw what you did here. A person looking at your definition of an atheist might think that he was an atheist, when in fact, he would be an agnostic. The devil would rather make someone an atheist, than an agnostic.

That is to say, the devil would rather have someone who does not believe, in the possibility of God.

FYP

Minor correction, major new meaning.

See above.

I think satan would rather have the Catholic Church