No hologram but sometimes the people on the hill will talk down to the people in the pit and rub it in.


Luke 16:19-31

22"Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to (B)Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.

23"In (C)Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.

24"And he cried out and said, '(D)Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in (E)this flame.'

25"But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that (F)during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.

26'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.'

I think what you're really getting at is if hell is standing in a 2000 (Farhenheit) degree room of fire what is heaven? Is it just 1900 degrees or is it 80? How will someone in hell know if they are in fact there? How do they know that 2000 degrees isn't heaven and hell is 2100?

The damned do see the glory of the blessed. From St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Q98 A 9:

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/5098.htm#article9

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The damned, before the judgment day, will see the blessed in glory, in such a way as to know, not what that glory is like, but only that they are in a state of glory that surpasses all thought. This will trouble them, both because they will, through envy, grieve for their happiness, and because they have forfeited that glory. Hence it is written (Wisdom 5:2) concerning the wicked: "Seeing it" they "shall be troubled with terrible fear." After the judgment day, however, they will be altogether deprived of seeing the blessed: nor will this lessen their punishment, but will increase it; because they will bear in remembrance the glory of the blessed which they saw at or before the judgment: and this will torment them. Moreover they will be tormented by finding themselves deemed unworthy even to see the glory which the saints merit to have.

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OP, the primary torture of hell is eternal separation from God.

If the Christian God exists, then that means every human was made with the innate desire for God in their hearts. In Hell, the separation will be the greatest spiritual pain imaginable, along with the physical pain of hell. It doesn't matter how you feel on Earth about it, or you claim to like 'masochism.' Those in Hell will suffer from the separation.

not entirely my point.

i said before this can almost be like platos cave.

if all you know is what you live in, then why cry over something you have no idea about.

the person in hell never experienced heaven so what is it that they have to be that upset about.

think of it this way. a life long celibate person knows nothing of sex, so he really has no basis on what to gauge the experience of sex on. the person who has had sex but now gives it up knows what he is missing out on.

i suppose that some in this thread view people who go to hell like the latter person, he knows what he has given up. im viewing this as the prior person mentioned above, someone who has never known what it is like, so really shouldnt be that worried about it.

i think the only real explanation for why there may be a problem with hell is if you are ingrained, or shown constantly, what you are missing out on.

ok so there is some sort of knowing of a separation, or knowing what they are missing out on. thanks for the info.

Okay.

The unrepentant sinner is not going to be upset in the physical place translated into English as "hell" since everyone is dead there. The physical place "hell" is, in Biblical as opposed to traditional terms, simply the grave.

What is bliss? What is pain? Can they be measured in terms of the physical environment that contributes to (but fails to define completely) the quality of one's existential experience? The answer is no. One must not find faith in things that will ultimately be irrelevant, one must find it in a momentary existence, or even better, a reduced state of non-being.