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Originally Posted by Naked_Rectitude
We are likely not going to agree, and that's fine, I said from the beginning most people wouldn't agree. Even if I'm wrong, there is enough of a reason here to not accept pot, but to see alcohol as okay in some instances.
You can define the consumption and the effects as you like, but it's as clear as being high or drunk is not morally acceptable. Of all the times I've smoked pot, whether my intentions were to get high or not, I always got high, but I can have a drink and remain sober, and I can have a drink for other reasons than being drunk, I cannot say the same of pot.
You don't need to accept that my interpretation of morality is correct, I don't expect you to, but I think you are able to agree with my view on sobriety, even if you don't see it as true.
As a point of process, I don't mind if you don't expect us or anyone to agree. What I care about is being able to see that someone else has a cogent justification for their views. I may not end up agreeing with it - I might, for instance, reject various premises in an argument - but at least I can say they have a valid argument. It is through understanding different arguments that we progress on this forum. I am pointing this out because I have seen you use phrases like this a bit like a shield, sort of immunizing you against needing to fully explain and justify your thoughts. I am interested in seeing the justification, even if we don't anticipate ever agreeing on the conclusion!
As to the comments themselves, firstly note that you haven't provided any hint of justification for why being "drunk" or "high" is morally bad. That remains an assertion.
What you have done is said that you can consume small amounts of alcohol to get only a small effect from the drug, but somehow for pot you can't. Just as a point of fact, I don't think this is true. People do consume small amounts of pot to experience only a small effect from the drug and do so for a variety of different reasons, so this sharp asymmetry between the two you provided is just wrong. But even supposing it was true, you haven't spelled out how this makes the one moral and the other immoral. You have claimed a difference between the two drugs that I rather question but okay, let us accept that there is this difference. How do you get to it being immoral?