http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...hips.38635.htm

sucks for him if it turns out that allah is the one true god.

I don't understand why orthadox and hasidic jews can't figure out a way around this. In Columbia Presbyterian Hospital in NYC they have a "Sabbath elevator", which goes up and down all day so they don't have to push the button. As someone who is Jewish by birth take it from me - jews have been finding loopholes in God's rules for a long time.

Thats crazy considering he isnt even jewish and his family were wondering where he was. I guess the guy really loves his wife but seriously bro, you're married you can stop trying to impress her now.

Obv unless he converted which I dont really believe considering none of his family knew about it

Shabbat Shalom!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCMBkxr2WSc

yea this is pretty dumb. Why a guy like that would fork over 10k (or any amount of money really) when he knows hes not gonna be able to be there for a significant portion of the tourney makes very little sense to me. What happens if he isnt stacked by the time the sabbath hits... money down the drain? must be nice...

Agreed, dumb to even play. You know if you go deep you will need to play on the Sanbbath. So why not just skip the ME all together?

As I said in the other thread I think that there's something wrong w/ this story.

This should help overturn certain stereotypes about Jews and money.

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news...-of-main-event

turns out he's not even a jew. someone should tell him the christian sabbath is not on saturday.

*deep breath*

BHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

some people don't deserve their brain. his should be revoked for lack of use.

There are some Christian denominations that observe the Sabbath on Saturday though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath...h-day_churches

The article says this guy is non-denominational but comes from a family of "mostly Baptists". Seventh Day Baptists maybe? And I wonder what his family would have to say about playing poker. Maybe that's why he's non-denominational.

... opps ..

I was going to point this out, but you beat me to it. Even though it's a minority position, it's not exactly an uncommon thing.

Non-denominationalism is broad and confusing. What is usually means when an individual says it is that he simply does not associate himself with the beliefs of any particular denomination, not that that he doesn't attend a church of some particular denomination. For example, I consider myself to be non-
denominational, but I attend a baptist church. But I would also attend a Lutheran or Episcopal church if that's where I happened to be the church that I chose.

I love all the posts about loopholes that people find to exploit what are clearly completely nonsensical "laws from God". DON'T MOVE A CAR!! so they just hint at their non-religious friends to move their car for them. Like God looks down and says "Me-damn it, did Steve move his car!?!?! Oh wait, no, he just passive-aggressively hinted to his friend annoyingly until his friend moved it. Well played, Steve!!"

It's 2012, people, let's get it together.

it makes perfect sense! god says thou shall not work on the sabbath, so they walk 10 miles in black suits on 100 degree days to temple instead of driving a car! which is less work? lol

and then they find the loopholes around their already non-sensical rules!

Unless I'm misunderstanding things or it's just a regional thing, the Orthodox Jews I've run into have all felt that getting someone else to do the work by even hinting at it is just the same as doing it yourself, or at least just still not allowed. So basically, from my experience, your above post is just a strawman. But many people practice differently, so you very well could have had a difference experience than I.

I admittedly have no personal experience either way, but there were several examples posted in the larger thread about this, including a guy who has his lights set on timers, and plenty of passive-aggressive hinting. Also, there was a post about how you can 'carry' in your own yard, so they have communities that fence themselves in, so they can tell G-d that the whole thing is their 'yard' so they can carry.

not even close to a strawman

Yeah, I have some friends who are Orthodox Jews who engage in what seems to me like these kind of letter of the law adherences. In my view, this seems reasonable enough--many of these laws don't seem to be internally motivated, but are more a matter of following tradition, so I don't see much reason to criticize someone for not abiding by the spirit of the laws.

I agree, there is something wrong with this story.
I would say he did it:

- for more money; to gain trust of wife, her family, or some fundie business

other reasons:
- to secure future winnings / thinks god has a role in winning a tournament
- serious crime / help someone do it / cover the tracks / alibi
- in trouble with mob / threatened

[ ] to observe sabbath

Saturn mythology

"keeping the sabbath" is the same as worshipping the pagan god, Saturn..on Saturn's day...or Satur-day..
this one was a Saturnian cult directive.

tradition is one thing.
ignorance is another.
neither is an excuse.

to the conflicted theist reading, rest easy.
this one is not enforced.
one can work all 7 days in the week, and still find time to rest in gratitude, continuously contemplating God's goodness.

every moment is a sabbatical.

Shabbat is not the same as "Saturday" ( often thought to be named after Saturn ).

The greatest Jew that lived and still lives, the Judge of all humanity, Yeshua HaMashiach states in Mt 5:17-20:

Mt 5:17-20 (CJB)
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¹⁷ “Don’t think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. ¹⁸ Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened. ¹⁹ So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot and teaches others to do so will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. ²⁰ For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers and P’rushim, you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!


The fourth "Word" of the Decalogue is stated in Ex 20:8-11 of the Torah.

Ex 20:8-11 (CJB)
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ד ⁸ “Remember the day, Shabbat, to set it apart for G-d. ⁹ You have six days to labor and do all your work, ¹⁰ but the seventh day is a Shabbat for Adonai your G-d. On it, you are not to do any kind of work — not you, your son or your daughter, not your male or female slave, not your livestock, and not the foreigner staying with you inside the gates to your property. ¹¹ For in six days, Adonai made heaven and earth, the sea and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. This is why Adonai blessed the day, Shabbat, and separated it for himself.


Ha-satan fights the "Sons of Light" in Rev 20:13-17:

Rev 20:13-17 (CJB)
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¹³ When the dragon saw that he had been hurled down to the earth, he went in pursuit of the woman who had given birth to the male child. ¹⁴ But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she could fly to her place in the desert, where she is taken care of for a season and two seasons and half a season,^{[ note b: Daniel 7:25; 12:7 ]} away from the serpent’s presence. ¹⁵ The serpent spewed water like a river out of its mouth after the woman, in order to sweep her away in the flood; ¹⁶ but the land came to her rescue — it opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon had spewed out of its mouth. ¹⁷ The dragon was infuriated over the woman and went off to fight the rest of her children, those who obey G-d’s commands and bear witness to Yeshua.

Somewhat related to Shabbat: a parody of a Cat Stevens' song:

http://onefaithonepeople.com/all-tea...dy-moonshadow/

These devices don't address the point I was making that Orthodox Jews, from my experience, consider asking (even indirectly) someone to do work to be the same as doing the work themselves.

I am interested in the "passive-aggressive hinting" Black Aces is talking about. What is that "larger thread?"

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...l#post33785047

It's a long thread. Surely there was a post that better explained what you were referring to than this one?