I'm not denying Jesus became a man... he is not the Father though.

Is God the father in Jesus? Is he one with Jesus?

Always or just sometimes? Did Jesus say, “I and the father are sometimes one”? Or did he say, as a man, “I and the father are one”?

This is a hard teaching I’m giving you, but it’s important. It’s the difference between a living and a dying faith.

They're one but they're not the same person.

What the son experiences, the father experiences. Because the father is with the son. Because the father is in the son. At the same time, the father and the son are separated. The son is in this fallen world while the father is in the perfected kingdom of heaven.

However, even when the son is separated from the father in this fallen world, the father is still with the son and experiences what the son experiences. And even when the father and son are one in this fallen world, the father and son are separated.

How is this paradox reconciled? Like I said, God the father divides himself, meaning he is in multiple places of the story at once. He is even divided against himself.

So yes, the father sends the son into this world as a child. But, the father is with the son too, experiencing everything the son experiences.

You're writing about things having to do with what's in scripture in a way that seems to me to be unfounded. If you're going to make claims maybe you should support everything you write with scripture so that you can show that you are telling the truth (and so that you know you are telling the truth). I don't mean taking Jesus saying he and the Father are one and then using that to support everything you have to say on the matter based on just those words alone. If you don't have a wider understanding of scripture it's possible you're just going to end up writing things that aren't true and end up falling into error.

Jesus was on the cross, not the Father (you said "What the son experiences, the father experiences").

Matthew 27:46 (KJV)

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

John 3:16 (KJV)

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

If someone writes a biography on my life, do I need to consult his book in order to speak the truth of my story? Since you are a Christian, you have accepted the son and his story within you, but he is concealing and denying his story because he is afraid.

Imagine you try to hide your life and your true identity from everyone (including yourself). Even if years pass by, when I call your real name and speak your life story, deep down you would know I’m telling the truth.

I speak to the son within you - the one you’ve accepted through Jesus. When you gave your word to unify with the son through Jesus, did you mean it?

This is just blatant, raging religious ego. Notice the telltale device of inserting "I" into the reply in ways it is completely unnecessary. This is just ego trip of being the religious answer man ... and the opposite of humility, respect for mystery, and respect for truth.

Where does forgiveness fit into your morality?

Very important. And no one gets murdered, aka sacrificed, to offer it.

A strange thought to those who buy into barbaric ideas about forgiveness, fashioned by barbarians and blamed on god. When on its face, the "Okay we've got to kill to forgive" is bizarre and discounted everywhere else on earth it appears except for in certain "believe it or god is killing you" doctrines.

What would it look like if you forgave anyone who has a favorable view of religion? How would you post about them on this subforum?

What would it look like if you didn’t forgive those who have a favorable view of religion? How would you post about them on this subforum?

Now, from a detached view, examine your posting history on this forum. Is it more in line with the former or the latter?

I don't know how many times I've said that I'm not against believers, but against lying ass apologetics, against sacrificing truth and reality to obvious tall tales and missing all actual spiritual discernment while emersed in magic stories and myths.

What is it exactly that you think that I think religious people need to be forgiven for? It's not me that thinks human nature needs to be forgiven. It's you.

Well I think we might have a fallen nature according to the Bible, because of what Adam did in the garden. If everyone would have lived their whole lives (forever actually) without doing anything wrong and you actually observed someone living like that you might notice a lot of things you do that are wrong that you wouldn't have noticed otherwise and you might see there is a lot you need to be forgiven for. One sin is enough to bring about the curse of death, and after death is the punishment which is an eternity in the lake of fire. When you sin you're sinning against God.

The harm you’ve experienced which you associate with religion. If you’ve forgiven and accepted, then you wouldn’t be such an anti-theist holding the most uncharitable view of religion. And you wouldn’t get angry when your anti-theism is pointed out.

There is wisdom to be extracted in religious stories. Wisdom that you need to get unstuck.

Walkby ... all you are doing is miming the doctrine of the religion that you are indoctrinated in. It isn't true or real. IT'S MADE UP. Like all the other religions. All the magic stories from magic believing cultures are bullshyt. You don't get to establish them as true by simply reciting what the magic books say. Everybody of course has their choice of following what they want to follow. You are very candid about it, not attacking and ad homineming those that are a threat to the veracity of the doctrine, not self-deluded bluffing like you have some special access to god and "his" principles ... none of that obnoxious false witness stuff.

Think about asking yourself: Is everything I'm saying merely a reciting of the doctrines in the religion? And ... is the religion actually true and literal, or is it made up (LIKE ALL THE OTHER ONES)? So ... when I recite the doctrines of the religion, is that reality or simply the tenets of a religion?

Satan worships me!

And God worships Satan.

God is the dung heap for rat sucking morons that post drivel on the internet because their own lives are so pathetic!

I’m sucking down anther beer as a toast to Satan and His legions of Devils!!!

For instance: "the whole world and species is cursed and fallen because a piece of fruit was eaten." Is that a literal fact or a mythological story that makes no sense in reality? Our babies are not guilty or evil or fallen because somebody ate an apple thousands of years ago. Give it the reality/BS test instead of just believing it. Do that for EVERYTHING. Reality is more important than stories out of magic/supernatural believing cultures.

I wonder how a religious bloke with direct access to god and the truth ascertains that I am angry and stuck about theism? What if it is true that spiritual discernment BEGINS with releasing magical stories and doctrines and basing one's spirituality on the nature of human consciousness instead of on myths, superstitions, and supernatural concoctions. And if that is true, who is stuck?

Like I said I've heard things and seen things, and I've experienced things. The biggest roadblock I could see someone having in believing would be that light can be observed from distant stars, but we are on the receiving end of that light and who's to say that light couldn't be here for some reason we don't understand. There are a lot of religions, but it's not a big deal, I kind of tried to make one when I was a teenager if I'm not mistaken.

Burn the Bible! Burn the Koran! Burn Taoist temples. Burn all libraries. Shoot yourself so everyone else can laugh at your death.

The nature of human consciousness is to be a light. Bring everything into the light, then you will have access to the resources you need. Myth is associated with the soul. Refusing to allow your consciousness to be penetrated by myth is to allow your soul to stay hidden in darkness. The part of your soul which wants to tether your entire soul to unconsciousness will bully you if you allow it to. Why allow that? You’re not going to die by shining light on your soul.

Nobody has to be persuaded to know, or bring into awareness, what they perceive to be good.

When the serpent offers the knowledge of good and evil, he is trying to get you to know evil. He is trying to bring the reality of this fallen world into your awareness.

There is a dominant part of the soul which resists this offer, and demonizes the serpent, because of the implications of knowing that this world is fallen. The good soul belongs in paradise. If this world isn’t paradise, what does that say about the soul?

It is this fear, and the impulse to avoid identity crisis, driving the common interpretation of this story of the serpent in the garden. However, a soul which has been affirmed — similar to the way a parent affirms their child — will be able to hold the truth of this world and not be shattered by it.

You might say, “I am able to acknowledge the evil in this world with ease. This isn’t profound.”

Hold the evil in one hand while simultaneously and sincerely affirming your soul. You will begin to sink into the contemplative mind and notice the resistance. Truth will meet you there.

I thought it was to be a depraved, worthless, wicked sinner. No? You overruling the Bible on that one?

Our sinful condition is a result of what Adam did. It's possible to repent and enjoy the benefits of what happens through the Holy Spirit as well as other things, such as being conformed into the image of Jesus. There is also the promise of being transformed into the likeness of Christ when he comes because believers will see him as he is (we will also be given glorified bodies). In Revelation it talks about the New Jerusalem which will be on the new earth where there will no longer be any sorrow crying or pain and no more curse too, basically a perfect life forever, I suppose.