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05-30-2024 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
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Originally Posted by Alter2Ego
FellaGaga-52:

The definition of magic that you presented above is not helping your lame argument that, to quote you: "miracle fits nicely under the magic umbrella." In fact, you shot yourself in the foot when you used that definition. You know why? Because it uses the word apparent.

Look up the word "apparent" in any dictionary and you will see that one of its definitions will say something like this: "seeming real or true, but not necessarily so." Compare that with the definition of "miracle" which affirmatively says:

"1 : an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs." (Source Webster's Dictionary)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/miracle


"an unusual and mysterious event that is thought to have been caused by a god because it does not follow the usual laws of nature:" (Source: Cambridge Dictionary)
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...nglish/miracle


"A miracle is a wonderful and surprising event that is believed to be caused by God." (Source: Collins Dictionary)
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...nglish/miracle


miracle noun​ "[countable] an act or event that does not follow the laws of nature and is believed to be caused by God." (Source: Oxford Dictionary)
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionari...nglish/miracle


Your insistence that "miracle fits nicely under the magic umbrella" is your desperate attempt at getting two words with different meanings to line up with your personal philosophy that Jehovah and his Son Jesus Christ performed magic (or at least that's what you claim somebody told you).

I gave you the definition of "magic" from two sources and both of them made it clear that magic and miracle do not have the same meaning. Both dictionaries indicate that the word "magic" amounts to illusions (something that is not real) and tricks.


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
They and you believe that magic is real, dumbass. And you don't even know it. The whole religion works by supernatural magic, claimed to be actual and literal. When they fashioned the religions of antiquity they didn't know the difference between literal and illusory magic powers, and they just incorporated them right in in their "my god is greater than yours" magic powers claims. A miracle is first and foremost something inexplicable or outside of natural law ... then often attributed to divinities of all sorts. It all comes under the category of BS in a vague, ridiculous "magic = miracle = supernatural = voila religion!" equation.
FellaGaga-52:

I find it interesting that you are allowed to post personal insults on this website to opponents when the opponents believe in God. Back in 2012, the moderators gave me an infraction of 20 points for informing an atheist, during a debate exchange, that he's a loser. But they are allowing you, because you are an atheist, to inform me that I am a "dumbass."

FYI: If you post one more personal attack at me, I will send you permanently to my "Ignore List" where you can join the other 16 that I sent there. Once someone is on my Ignore List, I will not be able to see anything they post anywhere on this website. Conduct yourself accordingly.


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

Last edited by Alter2Ego; 05-30-2024 at 07:05 PM.
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05-30-2024 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Alter2Ego
FellaGaga-52:

I find it interesting that you are allowed to post personal insults on this website to opponents when the opponents believe in God. Back in 2012, the moderators gave me an infraction of 20 points for informing an atheist, during a debate exchange, that he's a loser. But they are allowing you, because you are an atheist, to inform me that I am a "dumbass."

FYI: If you post one more personal attack at me, I will send you permanently to my "Ignore List" where you can join the other 16 that I sent there. Once someone is on my Ignore List, I will not be able to see anything they post anywhere on this website. Conduct yourself accordingly.


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
Well, since your godly brother routinely calls me a fool when I excoriate some of his blather sophistry, I figured it was cool. Then again maybe he isn't your godly brother since he isn't signing up for the mass killer Jehovah like you are. He seems to split up the holy trinity with Jesus the good guy. Making you can take a page out of his book. Anyway, try not to get your panties in a twist to much. I guess that's what all the sects and denominations are about. Meh.
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06-01-2024 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
It says nothing about a covenant ending in the old Testament. It says follow this until the end of time

So God was wrong? Or he changed his mind?
metsandfinsfan


Please provide Bible book, chapter, and verse where God told the ancient Israelites to "follow the Mosaic Law Covenant until the end of time."


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
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06-01-2024 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
Jehovah is a false god propped up by the real God, who is hidden. While some aspects of God are revealed through Jehovah, Christians should stop worshipping him and follow Christ.
craig1120

Please provide Bible book, chapter, and verse where it indicates, to quote you: "Jehovah is a false god propped up by the real God."


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
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06-01-2024 , 03:50 PM
why a perfect god would create an imperfect human being and condemn all its descendants to follow many different books with many different meaning to screw us even more ?
What great love showing by god ….

Alter2ego, where do god start and end it’s influences on our actions ?
Should be written in the bible somewhere ?
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06-01-2024 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
why a perfect god would create an imperfect human being and condemn all its descendants to follow many different books with many different meaning to screw us even more ?
What great love showing by god ….

Alter2ego, where do god start and end it’s influences on our actions ?
Should be written in the bible somewhere ?
Montrealcorp:

Adam was created perfect. He became imperfect after he rebelled against Jehovah. I explained that several posts ago, specifically, at Post 83. Click the weblink below, and you will see the explanation.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...3&postcount=83


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
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06-02-2024 , 04:25 PM
Don’t answer the question .
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06-02-2024 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Alter2Ego
metsandfinsfan


Please provide Bible book, chapter, and verse where God told the ancient Israelites to "follow the Mosaic Law Covenant until the end of time."


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
Many times

Here is 1 example:

in Exodus 12:14: “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.” This command is in reference to the first Passover. That feast would become a yearly tradition practiced from that time forward. Instead of a one-time event, the Passover was to be a lasting ordinance.

Regardless of it being a lasting ordinance, Christians decided that you don't have to follow passover anymore . Even though Jesus' last supper was a passover seder
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06-08-2024 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Many times

Here is 1 example:

in Exodus 12:14: “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance.” This command is in reference to the first Passover. That feast would become a yearly tradition practiced from that time forward. Instead of a one-time event, the Passover was to be a lasting ordinance.

Regardless of it being a lasting ordinance, Christians decided that you don't have to follow passover anymore . Even though Jesus' last supper was a passover seder
metsandfinsfan:

I previously informed you that the Mosaic Law Covenant was for the Israelites only, not for the Gentiles (Non-Israelites).

I also previously informed you that the Mosaic Law Covenant came to an end when Jesus Christ fulfilled it. Below are Jesus' own words.

"Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill." (Matthew 5:17 -- New World Translation)

"So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith." (Galatians 3:24 -- World English Bible)


The rules under the Mosaic Law Covenant were "a lasting ordinance" to the ancient Israelites ONLY because they were in a covenant relationship with Jehovah. Jesus Christ fulfilled the Mosaic Law Covenant and thereby brought it to an end. What is it about that don't you get?


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
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06-08-2024 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Alter2Ego
metsandfinsfan:

I previously informed you that the Mosaic Law Covenant was for the Israelites only, not for the Gentiles (Non-Israelites).

I also previously informed you that the Mosaic Law Covenant came to an end when Jesus Christ fulfilled it. Below are Jesus' own words.

"Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill." (Matthew 5:17 -- New World Translation)

"So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith." (Galatians 3:24 -- World English Bible)


The rules under the Mosaic Law Covenant were "a lasting ordinance" to the ancient Israelites ONLY because they were in a covenant relationship with Jehovah. Jesus Christ fulfilled the Mosaic Law Covenant and thereby brought it to an end. What is it about that don't you get?


Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18
I previously informed you that you are merely citing the doctrine, dogma and sophistry of a particular religion ... none of it is reality. It is the same thing that the rest of the religions are. Stories, tales, guesses, fables, myths, etc. Until you can get your mind outside of its indoctrination in that system, that is, its presumption that that system is reality ... you are just a zealot of one of the many competing religions. And in your mind is the unspoken, deep, unconscious premise: "Never mind reality. This is religion. Reality testing does not apply here."
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06-10-2024 , 06:08 AM
All the cultures create religions, ranging all over the map physically and doctrinally. What does that mean? There are some real possibilities there.
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