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Old 11-30-2017, 01:28 PM   #76
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Re: The Origin(s) of Christianity? (Horus of Egypt)

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You should give us the details ....
Caesarion was taught the mystery schools of Egypt by Cleopatra and sent to India where he learned eastern Mysticism and the legend of Jesus was based off of his spiritual journey. In India, Caesarion was known as Issa, lol.
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Old 11-30-2017, 05:08 PM   #77
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Here's a *totally* reputable website that explains this theory:

http://coolinterestingstuff.com/cons...aesarion-jesus
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:27 PM   #78
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Here's a *totally* reputable website that explains this theory:

http://coolinterestingstuff.com/cons...aesarion-jesus
Well, all of the theories such as that are fringe theories since the most accepted one, of course, is that of him being a Judaic religious figure, lol.
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Old 12-01-2017, 09:04 AM   #79
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Re: The Origin(s) of Christianity? (Horus of Egypt)

Just to calm things down a bit, as per Encyclopedia Brittanica, the abridged story of Caesarion who died at the hands of Caesar (Octavian), as per the reference, at 30 BCE .

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Caesarion
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Old 12-04-2017, 06:10 AM   #80
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From a religious and non-religious perspective Splendour is just plain wrong. He makes a questionable point about martyrdom being proof of religious sovereignty, but then disregards other cases of martyrdom for other religions. What about during the holy wars? Convert to Christianity or die? Some people did, but guess what... some people didn't. Does that make them a martyr? Yes. Does that prove their religion to be true? No.

Now Splendour makes a post about how using your brain is bad. That is cult mentality right there; Never questioning your beliefs. Feeling shame for being curious. Being trapped in the box you've built for yourself.
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:42 AM   #81
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From a religious and non-religious perspective Splendour is just plain wrong. He makes a questionable point about martyrdom being proof of religious sovereignty, but then disregards other cases of martyrdom for other religions. What about during the holy wars? Convert to Christianity or die? Some people did, but guess what... some people didn't. Does that make them a martyr? Yes. Does that prove their religion to be true? No.

Now Splendour makes a post about how using your brain is bad. That is cult mentality right there; Never questioning your beliefs. Feeling shame for being curious. Being trapped in the box you've built for yourself.
So-called "Christians" who provoked holy wars, crusades, and forced conversions were being disobedient to the teachings of the Jesus that they claimed to follow.

On the other hand, some Muslims interpret their Koran to imply that the killing of non-Muslims in a holy war will assure them a place in heaven.

My point is that Christians who murder unbelievers are being disobedient to their faith, while Muslims who murder unbelievers of their faith are actually being obedient to their faith (at least based on some interpretations).

While I'm not taking taking the position that martyrdom "proves" that any religion is true, I believe it is worth noting that true Christian martyrs died without the expectation of any special reward in heaven (because these martyrs were already convinced of their eternal destination), while Muslim martyrs (who were unsure of their "salvation") would die in a holy war to in their minds guarantee eternal rewards.

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Old 12-05-2017, 04:57 AM   #82
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So-called "Christians" who provoked holy wars, crusades, and forced conversions were being disobedient to the teachings of the Jesus that they claimed to follow.

On the other hand, some Muslims interpret their Koran to imply that the killing of non-Muslims in a holy war will assure them a place in heaven.

My point is that Christians who murder unbelievers are being disobedient to their faith, while Muslims who murder unbelievers of their faith are actually being obedient to their faith (at least based on some interpretations).

While I'm not taking taking the position that martyrdom "proves" that any religion is true, I believe it is worth noting that true Christian martyrs died without the expectation of any special reward in heaven (because these martyrs were already convinced of their eternal destination), while Muslim martyrs (who were unsure of their "salvation") would die in a holy war to in their minds guarantee eternal rewards.
I was referring to the people not converting being martyrs, not the people with the sword. I only used "convert to Christianity or die" as an example to show that Muslims and Jews would choose death over committing to a faith they don't believe in as well as Christians.

I don't believe that Christians are as confident about their salvation as they'd like others to believe. In fact, I'd argue that the more religious someone is the more fearful they are of death and possibly going to hell.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:25 PM   #83
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I think that Christianity becoming so popular partly shows how miserable the lives of peasants were in the past. They were willing to full-heartedly believe in something just to make their lives more bearable which is that, in the end, Salvation is waiting for them. A non-religious example is the Taiping Rebellion where the peasants were recruited in droves because of the promise of a planned paradisal place that they might reside in and they because zealous fighters for this dream.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:07 PM   #84
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I think that Christianity becoming so popular partly shows how miserable the lives of peasants were in the past.
There are good reasons why this is a terrible historical analysis.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:47 AM   #85
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There are good reasons why this is a terrible historical analysis.
And you failed to name them. Why?
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:28 PM   #86
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And you failed to name them. Why?
I failed to name them because they're really quite apparent when you stop and think about it (or perhaps take the time to look up actual historical analyses). Your analysis is pretty bad on its face and reads as someone who is speculating on a historical time period which they know very little about.

Among the reasons why you're probably wrong is the fact that if it were really driven by hope for peasants, then it is incredibly unlikely to have spread as quickly as it did. Indeed, Christianity spread so quickly because it spread through trade routes and port cities. Although there were certainly poor among the converts, the spreading probably would not have come primarily through the peasant class as that would require substantial mobility.

Perhaps if you took some time to Google the question and find some reputable historians commenting on it you might find that you're doing better than simply picking ideas off the top of your head.
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