What about this:

Matthew 5:17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

And tats of Jesus no less!

Please refrain from derailing this thread.

We could discuss this in another thread if you want to start it.

How is my question not relevant and how is it derailing the discussion?

Good question, and one I know we disagree on.

A graven image is not supposed to be made if it is going to be worshiped - the next line (Exodus 20:5 'You shall not bow down to them or worship them".

It is absolutely against the commandment to make an idol and worship it, or a craven image and worship it. However I believe it is not against God's law to prevent us from making any image of anything, but to not worship those images.

You believe that Catholics worship these images, but I can assure you we do not. I'm not saying that all of us don't as I'm sure some bad Catholics might, but that's not the official teachings and certainly that's not the way I do it. When I look at the cross I meditate on it and it helps me focus my prayer and have my mind not wander off.

Around 700-800AD in Church history there was the iconoclasms, where there are a lot of destruction of icons. Eventually it was decided that it was okay to make images because it helps people pray and is beneficial in the way I described above.

Because the discussion was relevant to the purpose of the OP.

Discussing that verse, is not relevant to the purpose of the OP. It is relevant to the discussion though, but i think it should be in another thread.

Okay fair enough - here's my short answer.

Christ wasn't talking about the Old Law, but the moral law. He fulfilled the moral law. The Old Law the Jews were under was a specific thing for them and this isn't what Christ was talking about, but rather laws such as the 10 commandments, which he made us realize could be fulfilled with two simple commandments.

This is why I don't think not following the old law is sinning, thus I am not listing it in my 'official turning from sins'. There, I made it fit into the discussion! :P

You're not allowed to respond to my posts.

What do verses like this mean then?

2 Peter 1:20-21 (King James Version)

20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Separate Commandments.

And people do go around showing off their tats looking for praise.

True that, but it is also a commandment not to make the idol or image.
Do you watch the Pope around Christmas time and other times throughout the year? He walks around huge crowds all glitter and glamor while people bow down to him, kiss his hand, among other things. I'm sorry, maybe you don't, but people idolize the Pope. And the Pope in no way discourages it.
Not familiar with this.

Am I to understand that this guy:



who has done more to bring in unlikely followers to Christianity than any Christian on this forum is going to hell because he has ink on his skin?

I don't agree that tattoos are a sin. There are not a idol to worship, but are usually a symbol of something significant.

I would love to have this discussion. For the record, can you re-state your position on the issue ITT so I don't have to dig it up elsewhere?

People definitely idolize the pope. It's dishonest for Roman Catholics to claim otherwise. You can see it in their behaviour when he visits foreign countries. He's treated like god on Earth.

I understand this is Christian thinking. But as a Jew i have a hard time believing Jesus separated the Law in the way you have him doing since to Jews All Gods Laws are his moral Laws. There was no division between social and moral laws afaik.


Leviticus 19:28"'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."

Its the OT though and as long as its not done for the dead so should all be good.

Basically Galation 3: 10-14, those who were under the law were cursed, Jesus freed us from the curse, we are under grace and not the law now.

Yet God's moral law is eternal and cannot be done away with, it applies to everyone, not just those under the Jewish Law. As far as I know there is a difference though I respect your opinion there isn't.

It is dishonest for Catholics to say people idolize the pope - in the same way it's dishonest for anyone to say that people murder. There are those who do not follow God's law.

But note that when the Apostles went around, people would kneel before them and try to touch them. When world leaders go around they are treated with large audiences. The same goes for the Pope, who is both an Apostle and a world leader. I respect him greatly for all the sacrifices he's made on his journey to wearing the fisherman's ring.

Downloaded the bible on my android so that id have something to read at the poker tables. Are there any good passages i could read out loud when im all in and bluffing to discourage my opponents from calling me?

I understand thats what Christians teach.
Its not really my opinion im pretty sure its what Jewish people at the time of Jesus taught.

who is this?

Mike Herrera of MxPx

I was looking at the funny thread title again and it reminds me of the word repentance.

Repentance means "to turn to God". I know a lot of prophets have said to turn from your sins but a turn to God is what actually helps you turn from sins because its through God's saving power alone (his grace) imparted through the Holy Spirit that help you to lick human nature. Two beings can always take down one no matter how evil the evil being seems. It all comes down to knowing the word, regular practice and correct tool usage.

Splendour maybe you can answer my question.

Oh the tatoo question?

I don't think you will go to hell for tatoos...that's my unresearched opinion.

I don't think God likes them though because the human body is the temple of God so I think its suppose to be the way he made it. The one that owns our body is actually God not us. Our bodies are just on loan to us until we get better ones in the future.

Accepting Christ as your Savior would erase any offense of the tatoos imo and if you got one after accepting him he'd extend you mercy because you probably didn't know better. Most Christians don't read the OT closely enough to worry about tatoos besides Christians get confused and I don't think its in the nature of Christ to go legalistic on us over every detail of our lives.

How does Leviticus 19:28 figure into the "not knowing" equation?