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05-02-2011 , 11:44 PM
I didn't have anything to do and I wanted to check out this other catholic church in my town. they have a 24 hour a day adoration chapel. But I went in the wrong door apparently, and the choir was just starting rehearsal. They were very friendly and welcoming, just a nice group of cool people. Um, no, I can't read music. Nope, I don't know these songs. Well, I like to sing karaoke. And now I'm in the choir. Guess I found my new church.
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05-03-2011 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Funnie II
The other day I was thinking that if I knew that there was no God, I would probably be less happy than I currently am. And if I knew that there was a God, I would probably be less happy than I currently am. Therefore I do not want to know whether or not there is a God, because no matter the answer, it is likely that it will only make me less happy.

Rather than debate if that's really what I believe (because I'm really not sure), is there a name for that general line of thinking? I feel like "agnostic" doesn't really encompass it correctly.
Fatalism? You seem pessimistic. I suppose it's better than being blindly optimistic.

There are a wide range of labels applicable across the theist/agnostic/atheist spectrum. Weak atheists != strong atheists, etc etc.

At the end of the day, you're just another dude finding his way in life. Labels only mean as much as you want them to mean.
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05-03-2011 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Funnie II
The other day I was thinking that if I knew that there was no God, I would probably be less happy than I currently am. And if I knew that there was a God, I would probably be less happy than I currently am. Therefore I do not want to know whether or not there is a God, because no matter the answer, it is likely that it will only make me less happy.

Rather than debate if that's really what I believe (because I'm really not sure), is there a name for that general line of thinking? I feel like "agnostic" doesn't really encompass it correctly.
I think just the opposite. Faith lets you face evils in your life before they hurt you overwhelmingly.

Of course you could be getting a lot of pleasure out of excesses. So much pleasure that it is distracting you from realizing it is excessive and now hurting you. People are all the time over crediting pleasure for happiness. We tend to make that mistake when we are ignorant of the existential hole we carry around and we try to fill it with pleasures that will pale over time and eventually leave you dissatisfied.
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05-03-2011 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Sounds like English class.

Never use the passive voice when you can use the active one.
That quote is not in passive voice. The relevant fragment of the sentence is "one turns..." Using one as the subject does not render the sentence passive as the subject is still performing the action in active voice. The beginning of the sentence is a prepositional phrase and does not set the voice of the sentence.
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05-03-2011 , 02:36 PM
Fun question for you, Splendour...

Would you know a Seraphim if you came into contact with one?

How?
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05-03-2011 , 03:56 PM
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I think just the opposite. Faith lets you face evils in your life before they hurt you overwhelmingly.

Of course you could be getting a lot of pleasure out of excesses. So much pleasure that it is distracting you from realizing it is excessive and now hurting you. People are all the time over crediting pleasure for happiness. We tend to make that mistake when we are ignorant of the existential hole we carry around and we try to fill it with pleasures that will pale over time and eventually leave you dissatisfied.
From what I know of Doug, this is assuredly not the case.
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05-03-2011 , 06:44 PM
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From what I know of Doug, this is assuredly not the case.
Doug hasn't posted in here before.
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05-03-2011 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Doug hasn't posted in here before.
So is it either you taking a default position in speaking from experience or is that really how you regard the average person who imbibes in a bit of existentialist despair?

It's perfectly healthy to question.

The vastness of existence makes the Christian God look pitifully small and petty. He's nothing more than a perverted, worst-case version of Zeus. The images themselves are literal bastardizations. "He" certainly is not God. If one (or a multitude) exists.

Too bad the Greeks were subverted. This might be a more enlightened age.

It is a little distressing to look back at humanity's history and to find that the most original ideas from a wide variety of societies were suppressed or discredited with force.

Maybe in the next iteration. There's always progress. Was awful nice seeing some of you again though. (You do look good in green, btw. Don't ever change.)

Night.
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05-04-2011 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FortunaMaximus
Fun question for you, Splendour...

Would you know a Seraphim if you came into contact with one?

How?
I had to look it up.

A seraphim has 6 wings. Cherubim have 4.

Seraphim: 2 wings to cover their faces so they won't gaze directly into God's glory, 2 to cover their feet (showing their subservience to God) and 2 with which to fly.

I doubt I would ever come in contact with one.
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05-04-2011 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by FortunaMaximus
So is it either you taking a default position in speaking from experience or is that really how you regard the average person who imbibes in a bit of existentialist despair?

It's perfectly healthy to question.

The vastness of existence makes the Christian God look pitifully small and petty. He's nothing more than a perverted, worst-case version of Zeus. The images themselves are literal bastardizations. "He" certainly is not God. If one (or a multitude) exists.

Too bad the Greeks were subverted. This might be a more enlightened age.

It is a little distressing to look back at humanity's history and to find that the most original ideas from a wide variety of societies were suppressed or discredited with force.

Maybe in the next iteration. There's always progress. Was awful nice seeing some of you again though. (You do look good in green, btw. Don't ever change.)

Night.
Yes this is a very strange world with almost too much info to track.

Wiki the Yezedi some time. I agree Zeus was a piece of work. No wonder the Greeks shed him so readily.
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05-04-2011 , 01:20 AM
So is it morally wrong to be glad that Osama Bin Laden is dead? I for one was happy to hear the news.
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05-04-2011 , 02:31 AM
Happy to hear he is dead or happy that there are lives that won't be taken now as some sort of direct response to something OBL commands?
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05-04-2011 , 10:21 AM
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So is it morally wrong to be glad that Osama Bin Laden is dead? I for one was happy to hear the news.
What about if there was an entire town of Osama Bin Ladens? Filled with potential Bin Ladens? Would you still view it to be morally correct to kill them?

Also, if you could, would you have killed baby Hitler? Could it be morally justified knowing what he will do to not kill baby Hitler?
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05-04-2011 , 03:45 PM
It might be justified from a utilitarian standpoint to kill baby Hitler, might not. You'd have to be able to see the entire butterfly effect after you've killed him to he sure. It's not a simple question.
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05-09-2011 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MalkasGambit
Pretty cool. There is a face in the red cloud, it must be God.
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05-12-2011 , 11:45 AM
I finally got around to discovering this gem...

http://www.progressivepuppy.com/the_...-abortion.html

I have never wanted to distance myself from the Roman Catholic church more then now. I was ordained and confirmed at a Roman Catholic church (against my will, ldo) as a young man. I am now an adult and I choose to denounce my former faith "officially". No, I am not giving the church power over my life herr derr, I just want to make it as official as possible. I am aware I was separated from the church the moment I denounced my faith personally.

So whats my next move.
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05-12-2011 , 05:36 PM
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So whats my next move.
Here's your next move.
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05-13-2011 , 09:53 AM
Thank you

wtf, I can't defect anymore?!

http://www.countmeout.ie/suspension/

Last edited by stueycal; 05-13-2011 at 10:03 AM.
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05-13-2011 , 10:12 AM
Wow. Catholic 4 Lyfe, looks like.

They must have been getting a lot of applications to suspend it, surely?
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05-13-2011 , 06:02 PM
Guess I am gonna have to head down to my church and see what I can do to defect formally, akwardd.
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05-16-2011 , 03:52 PM
Church bells need to shut up. Its ten to nine on a monday. Im trying to revise. SHUT UP.
This is why everyone should ban religion
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05-16-2011 , 11:52 PM
Has any case for God ever been published in a scientific journal?

I was having a discussion with my christian buddy, and he literally told me that scientists are pretty much intentionally turning a blind eye to the evidence of god, and that they are not interested in publishing evidence. Does anyone share this view?
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05-17-2011 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by stueycal
Has any case for God ever been published in a scientific journal?

I was having a discussion with my christian buddy, and he literally told me that scientists are pretty much intentionally turning a blind eye to the evidence of god, and that they are not interested in publishing evidence. Does anyone share this view?
LOL, ask him what evidence does he think should be published that isn't.
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