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02-14-2021 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
Another reality check for Christendom.
What reality is being checked?
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02-15-2021 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron W.
What reality is being checked?
The one in which Christendom has habitualized unconditional reconciliation with the status quo.
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02-15-2021 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
The one in which Christendom has habitualized unconditional reconciliation with the status quo.
What an interesting string of words.
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02-15-2021 , 10:31 AM
I posthumously hate that guy.
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02-15-2021 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
The one in which Christendom has habitualized unconditional reconciliation with the status quo.
Wat????
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02-15-2021 , 01:38 PM
There is a memorable scene in the movie Sixth Sense where the main character reveals his secret that he sees dead people. He then mentions that the dead don’t even realize that they are dead.
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02-15-2021 , 03:21 PM
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There is a memorable scene in the movie Sixth Sense where the main character reveals his secret that he sees dead people. He then mentions that the dead don’t even realize that they are dead.
"There's another nail," said the hammer.
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02-24-2021 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
That's not how it works. Do you think slavery has somehow disappeared from the human experience? What do you think the odds are that human slavery will increase massively in some future era?
What an absurd reply. Where did I remotely suggest that slavery has "disappeared from the human experience"?

You conveniently sidestepped my point: the bible endorses slavery. Such a good book!
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02-24-2021 , 02:00 PM
btw, here's something random for the thread.

I celebrate the death of Rush Limbaugh, as should every good Christian (but for different reasons). I celebrate it because he was a repugnant human being. Christians should celebrate because now Rush sits at the right hand of the father, right? Or is he in hell? LOL!

Last edited by W0X0F; 02-24-2021 at 02:00 PM. Reason: Ya gotta be able to laugh
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02-24-2021 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by W0X0F
btw, here's something random for the thread.

I celebrate the death of Rush Limbaugh, as should every good Christian (but for different reasons). I celebrate it because he was a repugnant human being. Christians should celebrate because now Rush sits at the right hand of the father, right? Or is he in hell? LOL!
1. I'm sorry to hear that you have such an empty, shallow existence that you celebrate the death of certain radio talk show hosts.

2. In varying degrees, we are all "repugnant human beings" given that All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23). I'm a sinner, and you're a sinner. The relevant question is: Are you a forgiven sinner?

3. I don't know if Rush was a Christian or not. Even if he was, he is not "sitting at the right hand of the father."
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02-24-2021 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by W0X0F
What an absurd reply. Where did I remotely suggest that slavery has "disappeared from the human experience"?

You conveniently sidestepped my point: the bible endorses slavery. Such a good book!
The Bible does in fact endorse certain types of slavery*. But chattel slavery, as that which existed in Pre-Civil War America, is specifically condemned in the Bible.

The Scriptures specifically condemns manstealing. It is even a capital crime:

And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21:16

The Scriptures specifically states that all workers are to receive a fair wage:

Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due (Romans 4:4 ESV)

See also James 5:4, Leviticus 19:13.

Woe to him who builds his house by unrighteousness, and his upper rooms by injustice, who makes his neighbor serve him for nothing and does not give him his wages. (Jeremiah 22:13 ESV)

*Types of slavery endorsed in the Bible include being a servant to pay off a debt owed, and being compelled to be a laborer as a prisoner of war.

Last edited by lagtight; 02-24-2021 at 03:44 PM. Reason: added Scripture second edit: added footnote
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02-25-2021 , 11:11 AM
Yeah guys the bible isnt bad, it just endorses debtors slavery.

In the bible's view, if I have a 100K hospital bill that I cant afford, they would be perfectly right to enslave me for years.
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02-25-2021 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004

In the bible's view, if I have a 100K hospital bill that I cant afford, they would be perfectly right to enslave me for years.
Maybe, maybe not.
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02-25-2021 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
The Bible does in fact endorse certain types of slavery*. But chattel slavery, as that which existed in Pre-Civil War America, is specifically condemned in the Bible.

The Scriptures specifically condemns manstealing. It is even a capital crime:

And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21:16
Kidnapping someone for slavery was condemned in Exodus, although in the Deuteronomic Code it was okay to conquer other people and take them as slaves, but only if you were feeling merciful and didn't want to just kill them all.

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Deuteronomy 20:10-18
When you draw near to a town to fight against it, offer it terms of peace. If it accepts your terms of peace and surrenders to you, then all the people in it shall serve you in forced labour. If it does not submit to you peacefully, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword. You may, however, take as your booty the women, the children, livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoil. You may enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you. Thus you shall treat all the towns that are very far from you, which are not towns of the nations here. But as for the towns of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. You shall annihilate them—the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites—just as the Lord your God has commanded, so that they may not teach you to do all the abhorrent things that they do for their gods, and you thus sin against the Lord your God.
Moreover, banning kidnapping for slavery is not the same as condemning chattel slavery. The US banned the transatlantic slave trade in 1808, but chattel slavery continued for almost sixty more years because of blood slavery, something endorsed in the Bible:

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Exodus 21:2-6
When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone. But if the slave declares, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out a free person’, then his master shall bring him before God.* He shall be brought to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.
Also, while in Exodus this six year rule applied to male Hebrew slaves, the author goes on to note that female sex slaves could be kept for life:

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Exodus 21:7-11:
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt unfairly with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife.* And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out without debt, without payment of money.
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Originally Posted by lagtight
The Scriptures specifically states that all workers are to receive a fair wage:

Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due (Romans 4:4 ESV)
Uh, no. Here is the passage in context:

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Romans 4:1-8:
What then are we to say was gained by Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the scripture say? ‘Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.’ Now to one who works, wages are not reckoned as a gift but as something due. But to one who without works trusts him who justifies the ungodly, such faith is reckoned as righteousness. So also David speaks of the blessedness of those to whom God reckons righteousness irrespective of works:
‘Blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven,
and whose sins are covered;
blessed is the one against whom the Lord will not reckon sin.’
Paul here isn't laying out a principle of fair compensation for work, but making a point about earning forgiveness vs being given it as a gift and pointing to the common principle that wages for work is not considered a gift but something you are due for your work. I see no implication here to fairness in wages or that slaves are supposed to be paid for their labor.

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02-25-2021 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
... But chattel slavery, as that which existed in Pre-Civil War America, is specifically condemned in the Bible.
Nonsense. Unless you want to claim ignorance of the following well-known passages, why did you ignore them? **



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As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
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If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s



** is this when you switch tactics to "why is slavery wrong"?
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03-02-2021 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
1. I'm sorry to hear that you have such an empty, shallow existence that you celebrate the death of certain radio talk show hosts.

2. In varying degrees, we are all "repugnant human beings" given that All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23). I'm a sinner, and you're a sinner. The relevant question is: Are you a forgiven sinner?

3. I don't know if Rush was a Christian or not. Even if he was, he is not "sitting at the right hand of the father."
1. Save your sorrow. And you should celebrate anyone's death, since this existence is merely a stopping point to eternal life, right? So hooray for Rush! He's achieved the ultimate goal of you guys. LOL

2. Sin is a religious term, meant to control the masses. I don't buy into that line of thinking. I don't give it any thought (in fact, that's one of the big advantages of atheism: it requires so little of your time)

3. I'm sure he identified as a christian, whether or not he satisfies your particular definition.

Bottom line: he's dead and that's a net positive for society.
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03-03-2021 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BeaucoupFish
** is this when you switch tactics to "why is slavery wrong"?
Sure.

Why is slavery wrong?
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03-03-2021 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by W0X0F
1. Save your sorrow. And you should celebrate anyone's death, since this existence is merely a stopping point to eternal life, right? So hooray for Rush! He's achieved the ultimate goal of you guys. LOL
The chief duty of man is to fear God and obey His commandments. If Rush received Christ as his Lord and Savior, then he is enjoying paradise. However, the Scriptures teach us that God does not delight in the death of the wicked (i.e. the unsaved).

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2. Sin is a religious term, meant to control the masses.
Citation needed.

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I don't buy into that line of thinking. I don't give it any thought (in fact, that's one of the big advantages of atheism: it requires so little of your time)
The Scriptures tell us that The fool has said in his heart that there is no God.... (Psalm 14:1)

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3. I'm sure he identified as a christian, whether or not he satisfies your particular definition.
Citation needed.

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Bottom line: he's dead and that's a net positive for society.
If you accept Evolution and the attendant "Survival of the Fittest", pretty much the death of anyone who is old, sick or weak is a net positive for society. More resources for the young and healthy. We can hasten evolution and create a Master Race sooner rather than later.

Question for the Evolutionists: Is it at least possible that some races are more evolved/intelligent than others? As a believer in Special Creation, I need not consider such thoughts, since each person is specifically created by God, so their intelligence isn't based on race.

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03-03-2021 , 04:49 AM
Gotquestions.org on slavery (it's fairly brief):

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
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03-03-2021 , 05:32 AM
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Gotquestions.org on slavery (it's fairly brief):

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
That seems to be the problem. Perhaps it (and you) shouldn't hold such a brief view.

As I already asked, were you ignorant of the verses describing chattel slavery when you declared that it was "condemned in the Bible"? Or, as I suspect you weren't, why did you ignore them.

This shouldn't be so difficult.
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03-03-2021 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
If you accept Evolution and the attendant "Survival of the Fittest", pretty much the death of anyone who is old, sick or weak is a net positive for society. More resources for the young and healthy. We can hasten evolution and create a Master Race sooner rather than later.

Question for the Evolutionists: Is it at least possible that some races are more evolved/intelligent than others? As a believer in Special Creation, I need not consider such thoughts, since each person is specifically created by God, so their intelligence isn't based on race.
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03-03-2021 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
The chief duty of man is to fear God and obey His commandments. If Rush received Christ as his Lord and Savior, then he is enjoying paradise. However, the Scriptures teach us that God does not delight in the death of the wicked (i.e. the unsaved).

No one but the people in your cult care what your book says. It was written by iron-age men who needed explanations for the world, so they made it up.

Fear God? Sounds like you're a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. I would pity you for wasting the one life you have on this ridiculous myth, but I really don't care what you do with your life as long as it doesn't affect me. So keep fearing god and be sure to obey his commandments. You don't eat shellfish do you? Or mix linen and cotton? Work on the sabbath?




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The Scriptures tell us that The fool has said in his heart that there is no God.... (Psalm 14:1)
Yeah, scripture tells you a lot of things meant to keep you in line. I don't gaf about your scripture.



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If you accept Evolution and the attendant "Survival of the Fittest", pretty much the death of anyone who is old, sick or weak is a net positive for society. More resources for the young and healthy. We can hasten evolution and create a Master Race sooner rather than later.
You display an astonishing ignorance of what evolution is.

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Question for the Evolutionists: Is it at least possible that some races are more evolved/intelligent than others? As a believer in Special Creation, I need not consider such thoughts, since each person is specifically created by God, so their intelligence isn't based on race.
Again, your ignorance is showing. There is no such thing as "more evolved." As a believer in Special Creation, you don't really need to think at all (and you've obviously availed yourself of this option). I find you people so amusing.
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03-03-2021 , 06:06 PM
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No one but the people in your cult care what your book says.
This statement is just empirically false.

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It was written by iron-age men who needed explanations for the world, so they made it up.
All Scripture is inspired by God.

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Fear God? Sounds like you're a victim of Stockholm Syndrome. I would pity you for wasting the one life you have on this ridiculous myth, but I really don't care what you do with your life as long as it doesn't affect me.
While I most certainly do not believe that I am wasting my life, if we humans were just highly-evolved pond scum, then every life would be a wasted life. Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we shall die.

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So keep fearing god and be sure to obey his commandments. You don't eat shellfish do you? Or mix linen and cotton? Work on the sabbath?
The judicial and ceremonial laws that were binding on the Jews in the Old Covenant are not binding today. We are no longer living under the Covenant of the Law; we are now living under the Covenant of Grace.

I hope that you accept Jesus' offer of forgiveness for your sins.

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Yeah, scripture tells you a lot of things meant to keep you in line. I don't gaf about your scripture.





You display an astonishing ignorance of what evolution is.



Again, your ignorance is showing. There is no such thing as "more evolved." As a believer in Special Creation, you don't really need to think at all (and you've obviously availed yourself of this option). I find you people so amusing.
Perhaps "more highly evolved" would be more accurate?
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03-03-2021 , 06:12 PM
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Why do (many) atheists like to use profanity so much?

I'll answer my own question: Because they are in rebellion against a God that they know exists, and because of their pride and their love of their sin, they become angry.
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03-03-2021 , 06:43 PM
Is god against profanity now? Scriptuarly?
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