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01-27-2018 , 03:09 PM
I just saw the following exchange on one of my former colleague's Facebook page. He's a Mormon. His original post was just an observation about his tax situation under the new tax rules.

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Reply: Pay that tithing, the blessings will flow.
Re-reply from friend: That was never in question for me.

I will grant that there's going to be some fudging about what "the blessings" are. For example, I do not believe that the statement he made is wholly about financial wealth, based on what I know of him. But there's a clear cause-effect pattern that's being declared. This led me to wonder about the prosperity gospel within Mormonism.

I went around the internet and found this article, which is an interesting analysis of the concept of prosperity over several decades and how it's a waning feature:

https://www.scribd.com/document/2002...-is-Dumping-It

I also found this statement on the "Law of Tithing" presented in 2006:

https://www.lds.org/general-conferen...thing?lang=eng

Quote:
My remarks this afternoon are intended as an invitation to those who have not yet gained a personal testimony of the full payment of tithing. There are many reasons that are used to not pay tithing, such as medical emergencies, debts, car or home repairs, educational expenses, and insurance. These reasons and others like them are very real and are lived and dealt with every day by many, if not most, of us. These tax our limited financial resources and, if we are not wise stewards of these resources, may result in the inability to meet our tithing obligation to the Lord. A lack of compliance with this eternal law is not to be taken lightly and can not only seriously impair our spiritual growth and development, but it can also limit the physical and temporal blessings that we could otherwise enjoy.

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Now the invitation: To those who are not yet full-tithe payers, I invite you to begin today to pay your full tithing to the Lord through your local priesthood leader. I invite you to pay your tithing to the Lord first, before you meet any other financial obligations. I invite you to put your trust in the Lord and, as He Himself said, “Prove me now herewith.”10 As you do so and as you place your tithing obligation to the Lord as the first priority of all of your other financial obligations, you will indeed become a witness to the matchless power of the Lord as He opens the windows of heaven and pours out a blessing “that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”11 You will then have gained your own personal testimony of this very sacred law of tithing, and as you continue your obedience to this law, it will draw you ever closer to the Lord.
There are also some discussions of this type on some LDS message boards, so it's at least a conversation within the group.

I thought this was an interesting little diversion because I've never really considered how this idea could have a role within the Mormon perspective. But upon reflection, it does make sense because Mormonism is a largely transaction-based religious perspective, so at that level it seems to fit pretty well into a consistent framework.

Not being Mormon or having deep ties to Mormons, I do not know how this "plays out" in their sense of spirituality. But at least on the surface, the promises do sound like prosperity gospel language, and it does seem to function in a similar capacity.

Also, I wanted to point out this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsRUy982IbA

If you've seen John Oliver's show, you might recognize this as his show on Televangelists. But if you watch the video, you'll see/hear a change of quality where someone spliced in other videos. Just be forewarned that if you look into this yourself, you'll no doubt stumble into that video and you will want to acknowledge the parts that were not part of the original show.

The video is making a point, and the video description says explicitly that it's a mashup, but I wanted to draw that out explicitly because probably not that many people read video descriptions before watching and it's a little jarring if you're not expecting it.
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01-27-2018 , 08:20 PM
There are many messages in the bible, but that God operates on a quid pro quo basis is not one of them.

As for the idea of a prosperity gospel:
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Originally Posted by Matt 19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God
From my perspective it's fairly tricky to judge one revealed religion vs another (since I don't accept any of them), but to say that anyone who is peddling a prosperity perspective is in direct opposition to the teachings of Jesus is trivial.

It's certainly interesting that some Mormons push this, but in the end it's all pretty much just snake oil.
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01-27-2018 , 11:09 PM
"Tithe" means tenth. The duty to give tithe to God is found in both OT and NT.
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Originally Posted by Matthew 23:23
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
God rewards tithes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Proverbs 3:9-10
Honor the LORD with your wealth, with the firstfruits of all your crops; then your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine.
Mormon tithing however appears to based primarily on "revelation" specific to their religion.

Mormons believe in "continuous revelation" such that Church elders can come out of prayer sessions saying God told them x, y, z and that becomes doctrine. e.g. LDS were explicitly racist, and criticized for it, until:
Quote:
On June 8, 1978, the First Presidency of the LDS church released an official declaration which would allow "all worthy male members of the church [to] be ordained to the priesthood without regard to race or color." According to the accounts of several of those present, while praying in the Salt Lake Temple, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles received the revelation relating to the lifting of the priesthood ban. The apostle McConkie wrote that all present "received the same message" and were then able to understand "the will of the Lord."
without faith, these "revelations" appear to be convenient lies to expand their Church
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02-06-2018 , 03:06 AM
I used to be married to a 7th Day Adventist, and giving %10 is a major part of their belief...not just to do good or support the church, but because they believe that if they tithe, they will be repaid by God ten-fold. Giving to the Church will literally cause you to get more wealth.
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02-06-2018 , 12:37 PM
"But the Grand Inquisitor says that Christ should have given people a miracle, for most people need to see the miraculous in order to be content in their religious faith. Man needs a supernatural being to worship, and Christ refused to appear as one."
I disagree with Dostoevsky (or if you like the Grand Inquisitor) as miracles wouldn't help. People want : Wealth, Lovers and Health. If miracles would be helpful in these directions than people would accept Jesus if not they would clap their hands and go home.
And the main reason why the Grand Inquisitor instantly arrests Jesus is: Jesus looks like a poor man.
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