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Old 07-29-2013, 12:13 PM   #301
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Loch Ness monster dumped from Creationist text books

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...in-Nessie.html


As a sidenote, it's interesting to see them described as religious fanatics
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Old 08-19-2013, 05:04 AM   #302
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Should the Catholic Church sell it's properties to compensate the numerous children they have abused?

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Old 08-19-2013, 06:25 AM   #303
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Premise seems a bit **** tbh if they should be doing that they should be doing that not doing it because they did other stuff that they shouldn't have done
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Old 08-19-2013, 06:49 AM   #304
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Premise seems a bit **** tbh if they should be doing that they should be doing that not doing it because they did other stuff that they shouldn't have done
I read this sentence three times before I got any sense of what you were trying to say. This is first ballot Hall of Fame for tortured syntax.
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Old 08-19-2013, 08:04 AM   #305
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Premise seems a bit **** tbh if they should be doing that they should be doing that not doing it because they did other stuff that they shouldn't have done
No, imo. Of course, the displaying of pomp by the church is often quite sickening, but there are at least some sort of considerations that might lead to justifying it. However, if now other circumstances come into play such that we might end up deciding that these overrule the previous considerations, they would end up doing it not because they should do it but because they did other stuff that they shouldn't have done.
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Old 08-19-2013, 08:09 AM   #306
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You could probably turn this into an interesting thread.

If the church has a responsibility to the poor it has a responsibility to the poor, it doesn't have that responsibility because of how the church dealt with child sex abuse and I think it's preferable to not conflate the two.
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Old 08-19-2013, 08:42 AM   #307
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You could probably turn this into an interesting thread.

If the church has a responsibility to the poor it has a responsibility to the poor, it doesn't have that responsibility because of how the church dealt with child sex abuse and I think it's preferable to not conflate the two.
The suggestion wasn't to sell some of their properties and then spend the income on the poor. It was to sell them to compensate those who were abused by the curch.
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Old 08-19-2013, 08:52 AM   #308
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At the top

Scotland's Catholic church must be contrite or cease to exist
Helping the poor by selling priests' homes and setting up credit unions would be a useful way to say sorry for sex abuse

at the bottom

The sum raised by the wholesale selling off of episcopal residences and parish houses would be a pretty one indeed, and could be used to support the establishment of viable credit unions, as proposed by the Anglicans and the Church of Scotland. In this way, the church would be helping to lift its poorest brothers and sisters out of the clutches of the evil payday loan firms. And it would be an appropriate and material act of contrition for the sins it has committed against its own. If the Catholic church in Scotland refuses to deal properly with this, then it does not deserve to exist.

It doesn't mention compensation for the crimes committed so where are you getting that from.
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:18 AM   #309
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Apologies, I read the article a few hours ago and my terrible memory is failing me again

I actually think using the money to compensate the victims would be a better idea now that I bring it up though
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Old 08-19-2013, 09:25 AM   #310
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No worries and I agree with that. I also agree that it's inappropriate for the church to have the wealth it has unless it is trying to reduce suffering with it I just don't know I'd be relating the two issues.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:23 PM   #311
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I'll just remind people that this thread is not a discussion thread. If you want to discuss an article feel free to start a new thread about it (same holds for the stickied video and image threads).
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:57 PM   #312
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Just thinking about science triggers moral behavior

Seemed like an RGT-appropriate article
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Old 09-06-2013, 06:45 PM   #313
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One for MB....

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/sc...s-cult-2254926

Controversy after a school allowed an American church group to give out creationist literature. Article is a bit sensationalist but that's the tabloids for ya. Also interesting comments below the article where it appears that members from the church have been sent along to argue their case and give out the usual lol argument about evolution only being a 'theory'
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:49 AM   #314
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Comet Collisions In Solar System May Support Life By Creating Amino Acid
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Old 10-15-2013, 02:07 PM   #315
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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
Biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'Covert Messiah' Conference at Conway Hall in London on the 19th of October to present this controversial discovery to the British public.

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Old 11-10-2013, 09:47 PM   #316
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Kirsten Powers’ reluctant journey from atheism

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Old 11-30-2013, 03:20 AM   #317
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Mutual Knowledge and Understanding as the Basis for Religious Harmony

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Old 12-29-2013, 10:00 AM   #318
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Okay it's not an article but I was surprised to see who popped up offering strat advice on this post:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/96.../#post41429827
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:49 PM   #319
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Local Church Full Of Brainwashed Idiots Feeds Town’s Poor Every Week
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Old 01-15-2014, 08:12 PM   #320
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/2...r-the-wealthy/
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Old 01-15-2014, 08:36 PM   #321
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Afghan is first atheist granted protective asylum in Britain based on his non-belief
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Old 01-19-2014, 11:33 PM   #322
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A Maryland mom has killed two of her children and wounded two others with a knife, claiming she and a companion were trying to exorcise demons from them.
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Old 02-02-2014, 07:36 PM   #323
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Miraculously Healed Muslim Lays Down Life for Christ
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Old 02-11-2014, 02:27 PM   #324
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A dialogue between Gary Gutting and Alvin Plantinga (NYTimes)

I thought it was interesting enough to be worth linking, although as a matter of fact I think most of Plantinga's arguments are pretty bad. The argument Plantinga makes about (strong; to use the RGT term) atheism and agnosticism is reminiscent of our threads here about strong and weak atheism.

I broadly agree with this (excerpted, see the article )

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G.G.: O.K., but in any case, isn’t the theist on thin ice in suggesting the need for God as an explanation of the universe?

A.P.: Some atheists seem to think that a sufficient reason for atheism is the fact (as they say) that we no longer need God to explain natural phenomena — lightning and thunder for example. We now have science...

Atheism on this sort of basis would be justified only if the explanatory power of theism were the only reason for belief in God.

G.G.: So, what are the further grounds for believing in God, the reasons that make atheism unjustified?

A.P.: The most important ground of belief is probably not philosophical argument but religious experience...
But, this to me was probably the most interesting thing, more about philosophy of mind and cognitive science then religion:

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GG: Especially among today’s atheists, materialism seems to be a primary motive. They think there’s nothing beyond the material entities open to scientific inquiry, so there there’s no place for immaterial beings such as God.

AP: Well, if there are only material entities, then atheism certainly follows. But there is a really serious problem for materialism: It can’t be sensibly believed, at least if, like most materialists, you also believe that humans are the product of evolution.

GG: Why is that?

AP: I can’t give a complete statement of the argument here — for that see Chapter 10 of "Where the Conflict Really Lies." But, roughly, here’s why. First, if materialism is true, human beings, naturally enough, are material objects. Now what, from this point of view, would a belief be? My belief that Marcel Proust is more subtle that Louis L'Amour, for example? Presumably this belief would have to be a material structure in my brain, say a collection of neurons that sends electrical impulses to other such structures as well as to nerves and muscles, and receives electrical impulses from other structures.

But in addition to such neurophysiological properties, this structure, if it is a belief, would also have to have a content: It would have, say, to be the belief that Proust is more subtle than L'Amour.

GG: So is your suggestion that a neurophysiological structure can’t be a belief? That a belief has to be somehow immaterial?

AP: That may be, but it’s not my point here. I’m interested in the fact that beliefs cause (or at least partly cause) actions. For example, my belief that there is a beer in the fridge (together with my desire to have a beer) can cause me to heave myself out of my comfortable armchair and lumber over to the fridge.

But here’s the important point: It’s by virtue of its material, neurophysiological properties that a belief causes the action. It’s in virtue of those electrical signals sent via efferent nerves to the relevant muscles, that the belief about the beer in the fridge causes me to go to the fridge. It is not by virtue of the content (there is a beer in the fridge) the belief has...

if this belief — this structure — had a totally different content (even, say, if it was a belief that there is no beer in the fridge) but had the same neurophysiological properties, it would still have caused that same action of going to the fridge. This means that the content of the belief isn’t a cause of the behavior.
Gutting doesn't push back on this at all, but it seems to me that the kind of response Dennett would make is that it's impossible for the "belief" to have a different content but identical neurophysiological properties under materialism, or at least insofar as those properties are tied to an actual real instance of a human brain, i.e we're not treating them abstractly, like implementing alice's brain structure in bob. It seems like the distinction between content and structure is just begging the question. Materialism assumes the content is in the structure, the structure is a physical representation of the content and that changing the structure changes the content. Is that not right? I am assuming zumby might have a comment on this.

It sort of reminds me of the arguments about p-zombies.
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:33 PM   #325
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If you want to start a thread I do have a lot to say... think discussion of articles is somewhat frowned upon ITT (as with the images, quotes, and videos threads).
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