Wow, six seconds is amazing to me, and I'm all about determinism.

If brain tech keeps up, we may all be able to see our decisions before we make them someday. Either that or we'll find some surprises and learn it's not as predictable as we think.

yes, it really fks your head up when thinking about freewill, and the concept of 'I'. BUT, this is something I had already started realising, that our separation from infinity, nothingness, basically what is external, is an illusion caused by a lag or a difference in time between reality observed now, and actual now which is always the future.

The front or shallow end of our minds, can still observe/make a decision and sort of create a feedback loop to the sub concious or deep mind, this makes even differentiating between freewill and determinism difficult. But it at least shows where our concepts of soul comes from, and aswell proves that souls exist, just definition and explanation that differs... There are much bigger truths than what is trying to be observed by these scientists whihc would blow your mind even greater, or at least for me anyway, It trips me the **** out, especially if my mind has been opened by drugs or epiphany.

My question is how does the mind "open"? If I'm receiving information that I previously had no knowledge of, then this information always existed (in my brain) unknowingly, and I just happened to do something to unlock it.

Or

It is "given" to me.

If it's given to me, then by who (or what)?

Is it possible that Intelligence exists somewhere in the universe and the brain has nothing to do with it? Maybe the brain just incorporates mind with matter.

The whole universe as we perceive it is intelligence, it is nothing but pure analogous data turned digital information afterall. The mind is somewhat larger than this though...

what sort of information are you talking about? I can create in my imagination things that don't exist or I've never seen.... like this? I don't see how there is a difference between being 'given' and 'imagining yourself'

Regarding the opening of the mind I have theories but they are hard to explain. Basically the mind is one mind, but it is made of many more smaller minds, and who knows if this goes further, and what even constitutes as being called a 'mind'...

So then do our brains exist because of the universe, or does the universe exist because of our brain? If the universe can exist without the human brain, then the human brain is NOT the source of Intelligence. Because the universe then is responsible for all of the "pure analogous information" that we "turn digital". And we can conclude that we in fact ARE being "given" this information.

This source that you call universe is what I call God.

Let's use the definition of "epiphany" so as to not make my answer a subjective one:

epiphany -

An epiphany is the sudden realization or comprehension of the (larger) essence or meaning of something. The term is used in either a philosophical or literal sense to signify that the claimant has "found the last piece of the puzzle and now sees the whole picture," or has new information or experience, often insignificant by itself, that illuminates a deeper or numinous foundational frame of reference.

This definition assumes a correct result.

You're stating that you can create in your "imagination things that don't exist". I would consider that an incorrect result.

I'm talking about the "much bigger truths", the ones you say "would blow your mind even greater". The one that "trips me the **** out", where does that one come from?

Understandable. I enjoy that exploration though because when you finally put it together to where you can explain it, then you understand.

So you admit that the mind is far more complex than what the human race has uncovered, yet you are confident in the non-existence of a God that created you on purpose?

The brain is so convincing even though it knows nothing of itself

Well, I don't know for sure but the logical thing for me is to not distinct them from each other. Perception, and especially perception of self (ego) is what causes this difference in what is the same thing. If the universe is infinite in nature, then boundaries are illusions including the one between external and internal. I think Eastern Philosophy goes into this question most. If we look at time itself, how can this exists without observation. Its like that ancient saying if a tree fell in the woods.

But then how do we define a mind? Could an atom be a mind? Could the whole universe? Strangely I do believe if there were no life in the universe anywhere then time might pass in an instant. And its because of this 'nothing' that eventually now had to happen. Note I think there should be a distinction between observer and mind.... I can agree with your theory, or rather I cannot really find a hole in it. However when attacthing words like 'responsible', I think this is where your imagination or creativity is taking over logic, because you are applying human characteristics and traits and purpose, to the universe, whereas it is the universe which has done this to matter and it is to be assumed through chance and inevitability imo rather than desire from a being of desire.

Agree. Except it should be god, and not God. Again you are personifying and I know why we humans do it because I've done it myself.



Well, I mean exist externally... such as the pink elephant in the room (and God/zeus ironically falls into this).

To me it is deep instinct in the depth of my soul or mind, it is removing imagination where I 'find' it.

I can explain it, but not good enough for it to be perceived how I have intended,



Deities are created by imagination and in pretty much all religions, so although I am not confident int eh general existence of a creator, there are many possible theories, there just isn't any evidence to believe a particular branch of thought as it all boils down to fiction, and imagination. The source and base of which (omnipresence) I totally agree with and this is why Its hard to consider myself an atheist.

hmm well I think it does know something of itself, because the mind is many minds, the mind can see itself by looking from one mind to another. This is evident in our ability of memory and future prediction imo, this shows one linear dimension in which our mind can travel at least and we can observe this.

nice bump you tool. obviously some nerd with nothing better to do than post star trek internet forum memes. what a bitch.

The universe exist because of Gods heart, his mind, his thoughts.

When he spoke those thoughts, they were manifested into being, and the whole creation came into existance.

By the way, this is the same way that power is unleashed even to this day, by words, this is how people are healed, by God's powerfilled words spoked on the lips of believers and believed by those spoken to....

Of course the universe exists without the human brain. Its really there, its not an illusion. The matrix, is not what we are living in, although there are lots of parrallels in the matrix to the true spiritual realm.

I agree and know for a fact that the human mind is much more complex and detailed and powerful than any scientist knows.

There is such a thing in the bible as the renewed mind, and other things, where you operate spritual power, unleash spritual power that is inside by lining your thoughts up with the word of God and believing it, by acting on it litterally, by speaking them forth, either in your mind or outloud, depending on the situation at hand.

Not only that, but a Christian has access to waay more knowledge outside the physical realm and normal modes of learning. Its called revelation, which is given by God, when he wants, at his own timing and will.

There is written revelation and revelation that is implanted by God into the mind of a believer. The written revelation for all time is the bible.

mt.fishnoob is awesome! not much else to say but thought i would chime in with that because it doesn't get said enough imo.

How can you even doubt your own consciousness you ******? You should really do some more research before you post stupid **** like that.

1. Scientists feel that way about the human brain too, that's why they're still studying it. But what has neurology ever told us that we didn't already learn from the Bible? Also, you should watch how you throw around the terms "fact" and "know".

2. I was baptized and raised a Catholic, but now I'm an Athiest. Will I still be eligible for revelation? Or does he know I switched teams? I didn't fill out any paper work...

All this stuff about relaying God's message, unleashing spiritual power...Isn't it all the same as "be considerate to other people" and "be positive"?