Observing the Sabbath
07-18-2012
, 01:02 PM
this is big, i don't do new threads.
this topic is of epic proportions, and indeed deserves its own thread.
any scripture i quote, will consequently speak for itself.
for the record, i will not respond to every cited quote you choose to bombard this thread with without your own personal commentary.
feel free to chime in with your thoughts at any time.
there is a lacking of your perspective, but i will still respond accordingly.
now, certain points must be noted in order for you to thoroughly comprehend the reasoning in this response.
1) IMHO, the One True Living God of Creation, is not the "G-d" you believe it to be, until you have shown otherwise.
2) His Kingdom is Here and Now.
I exist in perpetual agreement with the One True Living God's Law, an Ordained Sovereign man on this Earth.
For your benefit, you should be aware that the words I speak cannot be nothing but Truth as I, literally, cannot tell a lie.
If you feel that I have ever in some way "Judged" you, know that His Judgement is Just, as "I" cannot create a victim.
I am nothing but a conduit of His Divine Will.
May the following words find you in Peace..
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Biblical sources:
pagan phallic idol worship.
one should note that the sexually symbolic act of pouring oil onto the idol(or male ejaculation symbolizing fertility, or being fruitful, or multiplying), was a normal custom of the times, and was done honorably and in good faith.
most popularly, it has been relegated to anointing of foreheads with Holy Water, although the pagan custom can still be seen in some cultures, such as India.
nothing wrong with ritual..it provides a sense of order and security..a common fellowship in brother-hood..the feeling of doing something for God.
rituals please my Ego too.
it gives it SOMETHING TO DO!!!
However, the True Self within this vessel, need not for ritual of any nature..
what would that which Observes "need" at all, other than something observably interesting?
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Kiyun/Kaiwan/Chiun = Saturn
the Egyptian or Greek equivalent = Remphan or Reifan
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i could go on, and on, and on...
you usually won't see me get all Biblical here, but you opened the door.
if one knows their history, one will plainly see that they are the "poster-children" of "Don't let it happen to you."
if one demands to play the victim, then one is made to endure slavery.
Cause and Effect.
The Jews are not alone.
the idolatry of a Lesser G-d has surpassed the test of time and is evident to this day, even if practiced in ignorance.
this is a vital lesson in a Commandment that IS enforced.
one should be aware of what that Sabbath truly represents, for your own sake.
Fear not, little God. All is in Divine Order, At All Times.
Quote:
Shabbat is not the same as "Saturday" ( often thought to be named after Saturn ).
The greatest Jew that lived and still lives, the Judge of all humanity, Yeshua HaMashiach states in Mt 5:17-20:
Mt 5:17-20 (CJB)
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17 “Don’t think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. 18 Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened. 19 So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot and teaches others to do so will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers and P’rushim, you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!
The fourth "Word" of the Decalogue is stated in Ex 20:8-11 of the Torah.
Ex 20:8-11 (CJB)
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ד 8 “Remember the day, Shabbat, to set it apart for G-d. 9 You have six days to labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Shabbat for Adonai your G-d. On it, you are not to do any kind of work — not you, your son or your daughter, not your male or female slave, not your livestock, and not the foreigner staying with you inside the gates to your property. 11 For in six days, Adonai made heaven and earth, the sea and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. This is why Adonai blessed the day, Shabbat, and separated it for himself.
Ha-satan fights the "Sons of Light" in Rev 20:13-17:
Rev 20:13-17 (CJB)
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13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled down to the earth, he went in pursuit of the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she could fly to her place in the desert, where she is taken care of for a season and two seasons and half a season,[ note b: Daniel 7:25; 12:7 ] away from the serpent’s presence. 15 The serpent spewed water like a river out of its mouth after the woman, in order to sweep her away in the flood; 16 but the land came to her rescue — it opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon had spewed out of its mouth. 17 The dragon was infuriated over the woman and went off to fight the rest of her children, those who obey G-d’s commands and bear witness to Yeshua.
The greatest Jew that lived and still lives, the Judge of all humanity, Yeshua HaMashiach states in Mt 5:17-20:
Mt 5:17-20 (CJB)
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17 “Don’t think that I have come to abolish the Torah or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete. 18 Yes indeed! I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud or a stroke will pass from the Torah — not until everything that must happen has happened. 19 So whoever disobeys the least of these mitzvot and teaches others to do so will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever obeys them and so teaches will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness is far greater than that of the Torah-teachers and P’rushim, you will certainly not enter the Kingdom of Heaven!
The fourth "Word" of the Decalogue is stated in Ex 20:8-11 of the Torah.
Ex 20:8-11 (CJB)
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ד 8 “Remember the day, Shabbat, to set it apart for G-d. 9 You have six days to labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Shabbat for Adonai your G-d. On it, you are not to do any kind of work — not you, your son or your daughter, not your male or female slave, not your livestock, and not the foreigner staying with you inside the gates to your property. 11 For in six days, Adonai made heaven and earth, the sea and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. This is why Adonai blessed the day, Shabbat, and separated it for himself.
Ha-satan fights the "Sons of Light" in Rev 20:13-17:
Rev 20:13-17 (CJB)
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13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled down to the earth, he went in pursuit of the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she could fly to her place in the desert, where she is taken care of for a season and two seasons and half a season,[ note b: Daniel 7:25; 12:7 ] away from the serpent’s presence. 15 The serpent spewed water like a river out of its mouth after the woman, in order to sweep her away in the flood; 16 but the land came to her rescue — it opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon had spewed out of its mouth. 17 The dragon was infuriated over the woman and went off to fight the rest of her children, those who obey G-d’s commands and bear witness to Yeshua.
any scripture i quote, will consequently speak for itself.
for the record, i will not respond to every cited quote you choose to bombard this thread with without your own personal commentary.
feel free to chime in with your thoughts at any time.
there is a lacking of your perspective, but i will still respond accordingly.
now, certain points must be noted in order for you to thoroughly comprehend the reasoning in this response.
1) IMHO, the One True Living God of Creation, is not the "G-d" you believe it to be, until you have shown otherwise.
2) His Kingdom is Here and Now.
I exist in perpetual agreement with the One True Living God's Law, an Ordained Sovereign man on this Earth.
For your benefit, you should be aware that the words I speak cannot be nothing but Truth as I, literally, cannot tell a lie.
If you feel that I have ever in some way "Judged" you, know that His Judgement is Just, as "I" cannot create a victim.
I am nothing but a conduit of His Divine Will.
May the following words find you in Peace..
-------------------
Biblical sources:
Quote:
Jacob's/Ya'akov's Dream at Beth-El/Beit-El
Genesis 28
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
11 He came to a certain place and stayed the night there, because the sun had set. He took a stone from the place, put it under his head and lay down there to sleep.
16 Ya‘akov awoke from his sleep and said, “Truly, Adonai is in this place — and I didn’t know it!”
17 Then he became afraid and said, “This place is fearsome! This has to be the house of God! This is the gate of heaven!”
18 Ya‘akov got up early in the morning, took the stone he had put under his head, set it up as a standing-stone, poured olive oil on its top
22 and this stone, which I have set up as a standing-stone, will be God’s house; and of everything you give me, I will faithfully return one-tenth to you.”
Genesis 35:9-15
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
9 After Ya‘akov arrived from Paddan-Aram, God appeared to him again and blessed him.
10 God said to him, “Your name is Ya‘akov, but you will be called Ya‘akov no longer; your name will be Isra’el.” Thus he named him Isra’el. 11 God further said to him, “I am El Shaddai. Be fruitful and multiply. A nation, indeed a group of nations, will come from you; kings will be descended from you.
12 Moreover, the land which I gave to Avraham and Yitz’chak I will give to you, and I will give the land to your descendants after you.” 13 Then God went up from him there where he had spoken with him.
14 Ya‘akov set up a standing-stone in the place where he had spoken with him, a stone pillar. Then he poured out a drink offering on it and poured oil on it.
15 Ya‘akov called the place where God spoke with him Beit-El.
Genesis 28
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
11 He came to a certain place and stayed the night there, because the sun had set. He took a stone from the place, put it under his head and lay down there to sleep.
16 Ya‘akov awoke from his sleep and said, “Truly, Adonai is in this place — and I didn’t know it!”
17 Then he became afraid and said, “This place is fearsome! This has to be the house of God! This is the gate of heaven!”
18 Ya‘akov got up early in the morning, took the stone he had put under his head, set it up as a standing-stone, poured olive oil on its top
22 and this stone, which I have set up as a standing-stone, will be God’s house; and of everything you give me, I will faithfully return one-tenth to you.”
Genesis 35:9-15
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
9 After Ya‘akov arrived from Paddan-Aram, God appeared to him again and blessed him.
10 God said to him, “Your name is Ya‘akov, but you will be called Ya‘akov no longer; your name will be Isra’el.” Thus he named him Isra’el. 11 God further said to him, “I am El Shaddai. Be fruitful and multiply. A nation, indeed a group of nations, will come from you; kings will be descended from you.
12 Moreover, the land which I gave to Avraham and Yitz’chak I will give to you, and I will give the land to your descendants after you.” 13 Then God went up from him there where he had spoken with him.
14 Ya‘akov set up a standing-stone in the place where he had spoken with him, a stone pillar. Then he poured out a drink offering on it and poured oil on it.
15 Ya‘akov called the place where God spoke with him Beit-El.
one should note that the sexually symbolic act of pouring oil onto the idol(or male ejaculation symbolizing fertility, or being fruitful, or multiplying), was a normal custom of the times, and was done honorably and in good faith.
most popularly, it has been relegated to anointing of foreheads with Holy Water, although the pagan custom can still be seen in some cultures, such as India.
nothing wrong with ritual..it provides a sense of order and security..a common fellowship in brother-hood..the feeling of doing something for God.
rituals please my Ego too.
it gives it SOMETHING TO DO!!! However, the True Self within this vessel, need not for ritual of any nature..
what would that which Observes "need" at all, other than something observably interesting?
------------
Quote:
1 Samuel 16
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
1 Adonai said to Sh’mu’el, “How much longer are you going to go on grieving for Sha’ul, now that I have rejected him as king over Isra’el? Fill your horn with oil, and set out; I will send you to Yishai the Beit-Lachmi, because I have chosen myself a king from among his sons.”
13 Sh’mu’el took the horn of oil and anointed him there in his brothers’ presence. From that day on, the Spirit of Adonai would fall upon David with power. So Sh’mu’el set out and went to Ramah.
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
1 Adonai said to Sh’mu’el, “How much longer are you going to go on grieving for Sha’ul, now that I have rejected him as king over Isra’el? Fill your horn with oil, and set out; I will send you to Yishai the Beit-Lachmi, because I have chosen myself a king from among his sons.”
13 Sh’mu’el took the horn of oil and anointed him there in his brothers’ presence. From that day on, the Spirit of Adonai would fall upon David with power. So Sh’mu’el set out and went to Ramah.
Quote:
Amos 5:26
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
26 No, but now you will bear Sikkut as your king and Kiyun, your images, the star of your god, which you made for yourselves;
Amos 5:26
Amplified Bible (AMP)
26 [No] but [instead of bringing Me the appointed sacrifices] you carried about the tent of your king Sakkuth and Kaiwan [names for the gods of the planet Saturn], your images of your star-god which you made for yourselves [and you will do so again].
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
26 No, but now you will bear Sikkut as your king and Kiyun, your images, the star of your god, which you made for yourselves;
Amos 5:26
Amplified Bible (AMP)
26 [No] but [instead of bringing Me the appointed sacrifices] you carried about the tent of your king Sakkuth and Kaiwan [names for the gods of the planet Saturn], your images of your star-god which you made for yourselves [and you will do so again].
the Egyptian or Greek equivalent = Remphan or Reifan
Quote:
Acts 7:43
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
43 No, you carried the tent of Molekh and the star of your god Reifan, the idols you made so that you could worship them. Therefore, I will send you into exile beyond Bavel.
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
43 No, you carried the tent of Molekh and the star of your god Reifan, the idols you made so that you could worship them. Therefore, I will send you into exile beyond Bavel.
i could go on, and on, and on...
you usually won't see me get all Biblical here, but you opened the door.
if one knows their history, one will plainly see that they are the "poster-children" of "Don't let it happen to you."
if one demands to play the victim, then one is made to endure slavery.
Cause and Effect.
The Jews are not alone.
the idolatry of a Lesser G-d has surpassed the test of time and is evident to this day, even if practiced in ignorance.
this is a vital lesson in a Commandment that IS enforced.
one should be aware of what that Sabbath truly represents, for your own sake.
Fear not, little God. All is in Divine Order, At All Times.
Quote:
Revelation 2:11
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
11 Those who have ears, let them hear what the Spirit is saying to the Messianic communities. He who wins the victory will not be hurt at all by the second death.”’
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
11 Those who have ears, let them hear what the Spirit is saying to the Messianic communities. He who wins the victory will not be hurt at all by the second death.”’
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i can appreciate that perspective. 
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Theres a flow, an energy, most of us missed...When introduced to DMT, the spiritual hormone, I then recognized, and was comfortable in my own shoes...Free to live, and not wonder or worry so much about existance, or salvation..
A true DMT trip takes you inside the cosmos, puts you at Gods door, and after, you feel different forever, sans words...sans doubt...might be a trip for you...
DMT can be found in nature...
A true DMT trip takes you inside the cosmos, puts you at Gods door, and after, you feel different forever, sans words...sans doubt...might be a trip for you...
DMT can be found in nature...
i once was a seeker of trips..
i have yet to experience the apparent mother of all rides though..
if it is to be experienced, then i will surely come across it, when i am ready.
i am smiling, for if one is comfortable in one's shoes, one can travel great distances.
thank you for being me.
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