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Originally Posted by Naked_Rectitude
Kermit,
You gave me a lot to address here. For starters, Christianity will be affected because the left directly oppose them. Most of those in favour of gay marriage directly oppose Christianity because they stand for different and often opposite things.
As for the change, it's inevitable. Again, you don't have to believe it's bad, that is subjective, it could be considered good, but it is change and not everyone will appreciate it. I don't want to be offensive, it's not my aim here. A dismantling and rebuilding of the common nuclear family to include same-sex couples will change the culture we live in, even if it's simply having children shown that homosexuality should be celebrated, it's a change. Even if it's simply a more sexually-open culture, it's a change. A culture where gay-marriage is accepted and considered the norm will naturally be different to a culture where homosexuality is not even discussed.
I'm not really trying to argue against homosexuality, I'm only offering an objection that is not focused on, or skewed to look like simple bigotry.
You have still not offered any reason that a certain section of the populace should be treated as second class citizens and denied the rights given to everyone else past "change is scary to some people and they wont like it".
I suspect the 'nuclear family' or 2 parents and 2.5 kids is already a myth and not the majority (or certainly not an overwhelming one). What about gay marriage requires a dismantling and rebuilding of it? There are already families with parents of the same sex and it seems the only affect it has on the children is that they are more accepting of people that are different to them
What about gay marriage stops any given christian from living their own life as a christian with christian values and keeping themselves to a standard they see fit? Why can the two sets not coexist? Yes many that agree with 10% of our population not being treated as inferior are often in opposition on this topic with the official stance of religions, this is because the religions have set themselves against these issues its as easy to call a religion anti gay as it is to call gay marriage anti Christian, Why should being anti christian be a downside for gay marraige and not being anti gay not be a downside for christianity?
Why should christianity be given a privileged that because it doesn't like something that thing shouldnt be allowed?
I would class anti-christian as a law for example that banned churches or outlawed christianity. Something being pro something that some christians disagree with does not by default make it anti christian.
A culture that accepts women as equal and able to vote is different to the one that preceded it, a culture that accepts blacks/asians/etc as equal and worthy of the same rights is different to the one that preceded it, a culture that prohibits slaves is different to the one that preceded it, a culture that denies an upper class the right to treat people of the lower class however they please is different to one that proceded it, a culture that denies local lords the right of prima nocta is different to one that preceded it, A culture that includes access to the internet is different to one that preceded it, a culture that has access to TV/Radio/newspapers/books/etc is different to the ones they preceded.
If you can't show why the change will be negative to culture overall why should anyone care that some people will not like the change? There were people against all the changes above should we have listened to them and blocked the changes?
Change happens all the time and you have so far given absolutely no reason for us to oppose change by default.
I am afraid to say that so far you have not offered any objection to christianity that is free from bigotry as essentially all you have said is "we shouldnt let gays be considered normal because some people dont like gays and they wouldnt like the change that stops gays being seen as icky and wrong"