I posted evidence in those videos.

The problem is not that there is not evidence for the eye developing through slow progressions, but rather that you don't want to see the evidence. You have more fun and spend more time on "overlording" and deleting people's posts than you do on actually learning about science. That's the problem here.

Yes, that would seem perfectly reasonable, given that you are completely ignorant about and refuse to learn about evidence of eye progression, even when it is researched for you and spoon fed to you.

Wow, this is staggering evidence against evolution. You sort of remember some dude who's name you don't know who said something on the internet that might support your view, but was probably actually just misinterpreted by someone who had no idea what he was really saying.

I am floored by this. I retract all my statements and apologize. You're right, god did do it.

It's hard to know from this, but he may have been referring to epigenetics which (as I understand it) has recently become all the rage. Epigenetics is essentially evolution through mechanisms of change other than DNA - it's one of the potential solutions to the 'there hasn't been enough time' puzzle.

Just wanted to let you know that I enjoyed the videos and appreciate the time you took to link them. Unfortunately, I'm guessing that the more ignorant posters ITT will not trust the dating methods or even the scientists themselves. There is no amount of evidence that will ever convince a died-in-the-wool creationist. It's all one big conspiracy theory against god and religion dontchaknow.

It's hard enough to get them to even look at it:

"There's nothing to research. Why waste my time researching something that never happened? We all know deep down inside that humans were placed on earth."

The mechanism has been discovered. It is explained in the videos that rizeagainst was kind enough to link. Seriously, you should watch it. I still found them interesting even though I already knew most of the information they gave.

It is not hand waving! There is evidence! It has been demonstrated how this can occur. Please watch the videos!

Because we do know! At least we have the very best possible explanation based on the data that we have.

Seriously, watch the videos. I think you'll find them interesting and educational and maybe even want to thank rizeagainst for taking the time to find and link them.

That's a shame, because this really can be an educational forum if you let it. I've learned a great deal participating here. A lot from atheists, but also from intelligent theists such as yourself, Jib, NR (when he was posting more), Aaron W, and the list goes on. Countless points have been made where I had to stop and reconsider or even change my current stance on.

The point is, the 2p2 population is filled with above average intelligent people who are educated and from all walks of life. There almost isn't a subject where you can't find at least 1 person who isn't at least somewhat versed in, or has already come across information they can link you to.

If you aren't going to listen or at least use the links when people are kind enough to provide them, then this forum really does become nothing more than a trolling ground of sorts. imo.

If we have elephants, why do we still have dogs?

in before crocoduck

If America came from Great Britain, why does Great Britain still exist?

I will take a look at the videos. I am leaving for london today so probably wont be on much over the next week.

1) I don't KNOW that there is no God, it just seems extremely unlikely. You're a poker player, and should to be able to spot the flaw in this logic: 2000 yrs ago we knew who God was, but 1000 yrs ago, we knewthe world was flat, but today we know less about God that we did 2000 yrs ago? God is the universe, we're discovering more every day.

2/3) Trying to scare people into believing what you believe is the same tactic used by Stalin and Hitler. The Christian threat of hell is no less evil than autocratic propaganda. What about the billions of people who believe in other Gods, will they be punished just as badly as Athiests? What if you picked the wrong God? You should believe in all the Gods there is, just so you have all your bases covered.

4/5) My lack of humility? I claim that no one knows what God is, but you claim to know him, his message and what is wrong with what other people believe. Who is less humble?
I hope I never get to the point that you're at; mentally.

FYP

Why do atheists feel so free about wielding Gallileo's name to "atheize" people?

Gallileo was a Christian, and unlike Jesus who said go out and baptize people and make disciples in my name, Gallileo never gave permission for people to use his name against God.

He was a scientist who was persecuted by the church. Whether or not he was a Christian is irrelevant.

And you do a much better job of "atheizing" than any atheist on this board could ever dream of doing. Keep up the good work.

Atheize is an excellent word.

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

I like cromulent too (now I know what it is). Actually I like cromulent better than atheize now I think about it. RGT teaches me two things in one day.

So diplomatic!

bunny for mayor!

@ rize - Darwin's Theory of Evolution is nothing more than an amusing series of 19th century anecdotes. It shouldn't even be regarded as a theory.

How would you sum it up?

I saw a little bit about that recent attack/assassination attempt. I don't think I'd have the courage to enter politics in your country.

We're not dealing with a theory in any sense in which a physicist would recognize as a theroy. We're dealing with a collection of anecdotes, a certain point of view, a series of hunches.

It's hard to know what you mean if you are summing up evolution as: "...a collection of anecdotes, a certain point of view, a series of hunches." It's even harder to know what you mean by theory - what I think it means is a well tested explanation for various observed phenomena. As such, evolution is definitely a theory, but if you've got something better it will of course be discarded (that's how science works - eg Newton's theory of gravitation, replaced by the general theory of relativity, no doubt soon to be replaced by something else)...

Do you have any explanation for what causes super bugs to occur in hospitals?

I just want to know why there are big ass mammals swimming around in the ocean. Because it seems like whales once had legs, walked on land and looked much different. Penguins are kind of ****ed up too, it seems like they might of once flew in the air but now it seems like they are adapting to fly under the water.

Luckily the theory of evolution helps you there too. I was trying to pick some phenomenon we could observe. We can make sense of why it happens through using the theory of evolution. Those who doubt it's utility (I don't really think demoneyez is in that category) sometimes miss the fact that the theory of evolution is vast - it provides a huge number of explanations, most of which are accepted without question. Then there's an addendum - by the way, we share ancestors with monkeys and for some reason this causes an implosion. The usual response is "micro not macro, ldo" or somesuch drivel. In other words, "I'd like to keep the theory of evolution and all the benefits it brings, the scientific advances, the understanding of the natural world. However, I just know that humans appeared with no change, exactly as is - I don't care that I have no explanation, I won't accept yours unless you can provide an unbroken chain of fossils from amoeba to human."

It's built on a fundamental misunderstanding of what scientific theories are - witness his claim that physicists won't accept the theory of evolution as a theory. This is despite the fact that physicists know that their own theories are incomplete - they're still searching for the holy grail of putting it all together. Biologists are not in this category - there doesn't seem to be any reason for rejecting the theory of evolution (personal revulsion it seems to provoke aside) and even if they were so inclined, there isn't any alternative. Science doesn't abandon partially useful theories for nothing - there has to be something better to replace the old way of modelling the world.

EDIT: I'm not writing this out for you or demoneyez, obviously. But "It's just a theory" has so much persuasive power, I think it's important to challenge such waffle when it comes up.