[QUOTE=Original Position;54815609]You don't seem to understand the role of forgiveness in Christianity. Jesus asking God to forgive people's sins is not the same thing as him asking God to not rectify sin.
[QUOTE]i agree, i don't think most understand, if anyone.
for one, jesus would not ask god to do something he was already going to do. this is really important. this means, either god wasn't going to forgive or he WAS going to forgive along with punishment. either way jesus is requesting the almighty and perfect authority to change his course. unless jesus just said it for dramatic value? [QUOTE]
You should pay less attention to people's rhetoric - this is neither accurate of liberal thinking in general, nor of Christian theology, except perhaps of the Mennonite/Quaker/Anabaptist types.
[QUOTE]all of these denominations don't stem from the same interpretations.
if only islam had this same problem. instead their only "denominations" stem from who is the rightful islamic leader.
[QUOTE]I don't make any excuse for these stories: the Koran describes and condones evil actions. I'll just note that the Christian Bible also describes and seemingly condones evil actions, such as genocide and murder, pedophilia, cousin marriage, sexual slavery, and so on. I'll also admit that the picture of Jesus given us in the Gospels is of someone more in line with the contemporary mores of Western society than Mohammad, but Jesus is not the only person Christians take as a guide for action in the Bible.
[QUOTE]thank you. yeah more in line is an understatement. it's like comparing buddha boy with isis.
[QUOTE]This is false. Jesus seems kind of prejudiced against non-Jews, his views on divorce are not acceptable to progressives, his pacificism would be opposed by most progressives, etc.
[QUOTE]would any of this land him in jail? or make him a national threat like muhammad?
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What about the Incarnation? Or postmillenialism? These are both theological doctrines that would seem to imply a great deal of concern about the impact of Christianity here on earth. You seem to be picking and choosing here which doctrines to emphasize with no reason behind doing so.
[QUOTE]the doctrines can be as bloody and barbaric as they want. even if the 10 commandments said to kill the non-believers. jesus seems to instruct the opposite.
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This is just ignorance of the history of Christianity and a simplistic read of how theology impacts society. For instance, Calvinist theology might be read as one of the most passive versions of Christian theology, as it claims that anyone who is saved is predestined to be saved by God's grace alone before their birth and nothing they do on their own can cause them to lose this salvation. Yet Calvinist social norms (most famously discussed in Weber's Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism) focused heavily on showing that you are a member of the elect through worldly success and conspicuous religiosity. It is very difficult to predict how religious ideas will affect society, and I'm skeptical that your attempt to do so here is of much evidentiary value.
have you also lost sight of my argument? the difference between the bible(s) and the word of jesus. no, i'm not a theologian. it doesn't take a genius to see a clear difference between muhammad and jesus. let's say both of the books are just as barbaric and violent along with allah/god. if there's a difference between muhammad and jesus, one of them has to be at odds with allah/god or one of the books isn't calling for man on man justice. pick one.