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Most people believe in God, but they do not live by it. Most people believe in God, but they do not live by it.

08-10-2010 , 02:24 PM
Christians get upset about all sorts of things just like pretty much everyone else, and not just injustice (which if God really objected to injustice, you might think he'd set things right on his own but that takes us off topic). Christians get upset if they don't get a promotion at work. They get upset if they can't afford to buy that fancy car they had their eyes on. They get upset if the doctor tells them they have cancer and will probably die within six months (this last example is a huge deal for everyone of course, but really shouldn't be if you have a blissful afterlife to look forward to, in fact it should be good news, and they should be throwing an exuberant "I'm gonna be with Jesus" celebration).
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08-10-2010 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
Christians get upset about all sorts of things just like pretty much everyone else, and not just injustice (which if God really objected to injustice, you might think he'd set things right on his own but that takes us off topic). Christians get upset if they don't get a promotion at work. They get upset if they can't afford to buy that fancy car they had their eyes on. They get upset if the doctor tells them they have cancer and will probably die within six months (this last example is a huge deal for everyone of course, but really shouldn't be if you have a blissful afterlife to look forward to, in fact it should be good news, and they should be throwing an exuberant "I'm gonna be with Jesus" celebration).
My statement was a matter of narrowing the scope. Your original position was clearly too broad.

But even with the modification, I don't think your position accurately reflects the relationship between beliefs and actions.

There are people who believe smoking is unhealthy, but continue to smoke. Does this imply that they don't actually believe that smoking is unhealthy? The question is as valid for people who are trying to quit smoking but failing, and those who openly accept the consequences of their actions.

This is also similar to the morality question that came up in another thread. If your "true" morality can only be seen in your actions (as opposed to an abstract system of beliefs), then nobody can possibly act immorally relative to their own system of "true beliefs."
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08-10-2010 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
Christians get upset about all sorts of things just like pretty much everyone else, and not just injustice (which if God really objected to injustice, you might think he'd set things right on his own but that takes us off topic). Christians get upset if they don't get a promotion at work. They get upset if they can't afford to buy that fancy car they had their eyes on. They get upset if the doctor tells them they have cancer and will probably die within six months (this last example is a huge deal for everyone of course, but really shouldn't be if you have a blissful afterlife to look forward to, in fact it should be good news, and they should be throwing an exuberant "I'm gonna be with Jesus" celebration).
Just over twelve hours ago, my wife and I attended the "baptism" of Pak Kwan Wong, a 63-year old "believer".

On our previous ( and first ) visit to bed #917 of the Palliative Medical Ward at Grantham Hospital in Hong Kong, we were accompanied by M.W. ( "director" of St. Barnabas' Society and Home, a place that shelters some of the homeless ) and D.Y., an acquaintance who previously resided at SBSH ( an old but well-educated polyglot and one of the "casualties of society" ). Four days ago, we learned from M.W. that Pak Kwan had terminal lung cancer. During our first visit, we learned from one of the nurses that Pak Kwan was often angry, used excessive profanity and during one occasion, required more than a few workers to restrain him; this nurse spoke openly in front of all five of us about these details. D.Y. pointed out that Pak Kwan had previously been part of the Triad Society, explaining the profane language; he also mentioned to me that Pak Kwan was one of the few "believers" that were at SBSH ( but D.Y. himself is "agnostic" ). Everything the nurse said may have been true, but this man is dying and likely knows he doesn't have more than a few weeks left.

Pak Kwan has barely enough strength to lift his right hand and is incontinent ( and may explain the aforementioned "boldness" of the nurse ). On the first visit, M.W. gave Pak Kwan a shave and haircut ( and even spoon fed him ). I've been told a few times that Pak Kwan would do some of the heavy work at SBSH and would even care for the cat and two rabbits there. On our visit last evening, M.W. was there with a pastor and three of the "faithful". It really didn't matter that the "baptism" was a sprinkling or even necessary, that our theological beliefs were erroneous, or that our lives were less than ideal. All that mattered was whether Pak Kwan trusted Yeshua and would have a share in the life hereafter.

Only Pak Kwan and my wife were shedding any tears; I couldn't simply "weep with those who weep" - I don't know him personally, and even if I did, it would be difficult for us to relate. Pak Kwan's only relative we know of is a sister who has yet to phone him or visit him. Although Pak Kwan and I are "worlds apart", we are both human and "believers" - it is only through Yeshua that we are able ( in some sense ) to relate. The inevitable outcome isn't any cause for celebration - although we are hopeful, we are at the mercy of the Almighty.

Maybe we should often mourn and repent:

http://derek4messiah.wordpress.com/2...rn-and-repent/
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08-11-2010 , 10:03 AM
Hey bigpooch! I have a question: what do you think what following quotes from Bible mean?
The Lord sends poverty and wealth; he humbles and he exalts.- 1 Samuel 2:7
and the rich one to be thankful that he has been humbled...-James 1:10
I mean: With the words "wealth" and "rich", does the bible mean earthly success and money? (I am not even sure if the guy who did quote them, did quoted James 1:10 right or not)
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08-13-2010 , 11:42 AM
Gunth -

There's actually a really good book that falls along the same lines of the OP. You should check it out. Extremely good read.

"The Christian Atheist" - by Craig Groeschel

http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en...Site=Zondervan
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