Giant Islamic Cultural Center then. And it is GIANT!

You're blind.

Here's part of the problem. Let's assume for the moment that you do indeed know what "remorse" means and it is the word you intended. Why should Muslim-Americans feel remorse for 9/11? They weren't involved in the attacks. They're just as much victims as the rest of us.

You seem to believe that since the terrorists were Muslims, all of Islam is to blame. You feel as if Muslims in this country with no ties to terrorism are a threat to our country.

This is just horrible. You shouldn't, but somehow you continue to amaze me. I can't believe you view yourself as a moral person. I can't believe that you think Jesus would condone such bigotry and hatred. It really disgusts me.

Your intolerance and bigotry is exactly how the extremists want you to respond. Someone is going to firebomb, sabotage, vandalise, etcetera this building (in defiance of US law) and it will provoke sympathy, support and probably funding for the extremists. Nice work.

Following a path of love and forgiveness has what as a downside? Oh yeah - it will send a message. Hmm

just seemed like you added the "giant" for emphasis like it would somehow strengthen your point. if not, disregard.

Not going to make up another Bible passage to defend your view?

There are already Christian Churches built on or near the sites of Native American massacres committed by people who called themselves Christians. Should we take them down?

Well you might think about joining... your views are almost identical.

New York welcomes Muslims:

there is no devil. Whew. That ends this issue easily enough.

I bet a lot of people, if given the choice, wouldn't have you around either. I guess a lot of people can be glad that's not how things work.

The fact that the people building it have stated that is freely available. That doesn't get in the way of the mind readers who know that all Muslims are evil so that they have to be doing it to destroy the country.

Its no surprise that the majority of the people who are upset are people like Pletho that take it on faith that their feelings on any matter are more important to any facts or reason.

My question to you; do you really hope to get anywhere with Pletho? He and splenda share the same process of discovery- examine personal feelings on subject, decide what is true and then ignore any evidence that contradicts it.

could they build a church and community center several blocks away with the purpose of reaching out to the neighborhood, soothing relations and making a bridge of peace?

(No real need to answer. I'm betting most people are pretty certain what the answer would be. Though perhaps I'm not properly anticipating some humor...)

I thought it was still up in the air whether Pletho was a schtick. I'm just surprised that he has so little respect for the Bible that he is willing to make up verses to prove his claims. Is the mask slipping...?

I just kind of assumed that he was referring to some "lost" book of the Bible that, since he knows how to divide the word correctly, he knows is accurate even if the rest of the false christians don't.

The thing is... if you can't determine if Pletho is schtick or sincere... does it really matter? other then perhaps Splendour, none of the other Christians really want to touch him either. (actually, Gunth was kind of puppy loving him but Gunth seems like he'd follow anyone who doesn't laugh everytime he opens his mouth. I think Pletho sensed weakness and naivete and courted Gunth) Pletho is either a joke or a religion of one (of which he is the authority).

Either way, good for laughs and not much more.

I dont know if hes a put on or not but hes defiantly not a religion of one (well anymore then any other Christian). If you read through The Way International's beliefs and doctrines a lot of the views are the same as his.

No, he wasn't citing an apocryphal book, but just making it up. You can tell because: no google returns on the title or the text, misspellings, incorrect grammar, and the use of contemporary phrases.

Say what you will about the atheists on this site who despise the Bible--at least they don't invent new verses. Whose sin is greater, Pletho?

Omg the entire united states is falling into media propaganda. Ldo this will never happen so there is absolutely no point in talking about it. When Muslim media stations get low on their ratings I bet they visit one of the radical Christian websites that says they want to build a church on Mecca and report the story on prime time.

This probably means Pletho is a troll. Making up Bible verses would be very bad for a religious person. It's also hilarious.

I don't make any effort to change his religious views, however I think there is value in trying to point out that behaving as he suggests is against his own stated goals*.

ie - Adopting an insular, anti-muslim, freedom-for-all-religions-acceptable-to-mine attitude will increase the influence of extremists and decrease the appeal of moderates around the world. I don't know if he's supporting violence, in supporting 'they shouldn't be allowed to build a mosque even though it's legal'. Nonetheless, someone will take the attitude that violence is justified and they will feel more and more justified the more people like Pletho publically advocate the stance he is here.

* (As others, I'm also interested in discerning what Pletho's true motives are - imo citing fake bible citations has damaged the persona he's been cultivating on RGT. I'm not surprised that, after being called out so convincingly by Original Position, he has disappeared from this thread, no doubt hoping the book of Ephaticus will fade from memory).

Pletho confirmed level itt

For possibly the first time I find myself in complete agreement with Wamy. I am curious why Pletho dropped the game after so long trying to build the illusion. He cannot possibly have believed that the fake Bible quote would not be caught. He also cannot believe that he can pretend that it is consistent with a Christian viewpoint to manufacture Bible quotes. And "dead in their tracks"? Not even close to Biblical language. Oh well, that stupid game was long played out anyway and maybe he finally realized it.

On the OP, I do not see how you can prohibit the mosque. You may not like it, but you do not have to like it.

I think it's a peaceful gesture, Way too many people in the world especially Americans think the Islam is a radical terrorist group. Something has to be done that will show 99.9% of muslims are peaceful and friendly people, just like Christianity is and I hope this will accomplish that.

In a perfect world religion or atheism shouldn't be restricted or forced upon no matter what country. If you ban a religion from having their own religious place, where do you draw the line. It is a fact that the majority of the people born in America will automatically become christian (same as here in belgium), I think this is a huge flaw and people especially kids should have the knowledge of all religions and beliefs ASAP to decide on their own instead of being dictated by the society what religion they should believe in.

I take everything back if RLK is in complete agreement with it ;p

I've waffled back and forth myself on this issue, and had come down on thinking that he was most likely legit. But I was thinking the same thing when I saw his fake quote. Lapse of judgment in letting atheists get to him? Or mistep in a very well crafted (dare I say brilliant?) massive level?

if pletho is a level i nominate him for something like "most words written by a troll"...that may or may not be a stretch, but think of how many extremely long posts he used to produce. i dunno, if i had to bet money id have to put it on the side of him not being a troll, and there being some other reason for posting a fake verse. but i wouldn't want to put a big chunk of my net worth on it because it is confusing.