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08-06-2010 , 01:11 AM
When someone hurts you, you should forgive them. In my opinion, these things never end until one party claims victim status and doesnt seek revenge.

Prevent the building and it will be taken as an affront against Islam and proof that all Americans are evildoers out to oppress muslims.
08-06-2010 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Should this be allowed?
I don't really understand the question, since your defence seems to be based on the assumption that the building is legal but wrong. On that basis, shouldnt your position be that they should be 'allowed' but they should choose not to do it?

Are you suggesting people who disagree with the laws are justified in taking action to prevent laws they consider wrong from being enforced?
08-06-2010 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Its a spiritual slap in the face by the god of this world (meaning the devil) through his puppets, to the Christians in this country who understand spiritual matters and to those who were killed and to those who had families killed.

No respect from a physical point of view is plain and obvious also.

Maybe some one should set up on all the graves of any relatives who have died of all the people on this forum something that would piss them off.
Is it your view that we should not allow Muslims to freely practice their religion in the U.S.? If not, then on what basis do you justify the government interfering with their freedom to construct a house of worship on their own property?
08-06-2010 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bunny
I don't really understand the question, since your defence seems to be based on the assumption that the building is legal but wrong. On that basis, shouldnt your position be that they should be 'allowed' but they should choose not to do it?

Are you suggesting people who disagree with the laws are justified in taking action to prevent laws they consider wrong from being enforced?
Sure by law maybe they should be allowed, but if they had any heart of sense of remorse for the people that died, they would not do it, especially knowing how many people are against it.

They do not care.......simple as that.

They want to excercise their rights and show the people of the US that they have power to do things, its just the tip of the iceberg.

They bitch and complain about Christians wearing crosses in schools and prayers but yet they are allowed to wear their religious garb and pray, what hypocrisy and its amazing that sooo many people are so damn blind and to friggen scared to stand up and tell them to get out, if you do not like the way we believe then go back to your own country where things are so much better.
08-06-2010 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
Is it your view that we should not allow Muslims to freely practice their religion in the U.S.? If not, then on what basis do you justify the government interfering with their freedom to construct a house of worship on their own property?
If it was my choice they wouldnt be here at all.
08-06-2010 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
If it was my choice they wouldnt be here at all.
I'm guessing if it was your choice this would be a christian theocracy and we'd have forced conversions of non-believers right?
08-06-2010 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Sure by law maybe they should be allowed, but if they had any heart of sense of remorse for the people that died, they would not do it, especially knowing how many people are against it.

They do not care.......simple as that.
So you agree with me? JoeyDiamonds meant that they should be allowed to and should choose not to?
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They want to excercise their rights and show the people of the US that they have power to do things, its just the tip of the iceberg.
They are the people of the US.
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They bitch and complain about Christians wearing crosses in schools and prayers but yet they are allowed to wear their religious garb and pray, what hypocrisy
Any evidence that these people have ever objected to Chirstians wearing crosses in schools, etc?
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and its amazing that sooo many people are so damn blind and to friggen scared to stand up and tell them to get out, if you do not like the way we believe then go back to your own country where things are so much better.
Blind, scared, or possibly they just disagree with you.
08-06-2010 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MelchyBeau
I'm guessing if it was your choice this would be a christian theocracy and we'd have forced conversions of non-believers right?
Nope

If it was my choice Christ would come back today, and then we could have a whole society of believers, which will only happen in the future, like it or not, believe it or not, its a done deal.

Its called the third heaven and earth.
08-06-2010 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
If it was my choice they wouldnt be here at all.
So you don't favor the government allowing Muslims to freely practice their religion in the U.S.?
08-06-2010 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bunny
So you agree with me? JoeyDiamonds meant that they should be allowed to and should choose not to?

They are the people of the US.

Any evidence that these people have ever objected to Chirstians wearing crosses in schools, etc?

Blind, scared, or possibly they just disagree with you.
Oh, are you so naive to believe that there are not people in the US who's sole purpose from a spiritual point of view is to destroy this country from within.

Am I scared? Hell no, but people need to wake up to the reality of whats going on, and happening. Believe me, most Christians have some vague idea of whats going on. Its not like the bible does not talk about this kind of stuff.

Haven't you ever read it?

Ephaticus 12:4 In the years to come their shall be a righteous nation that shall be decietfully attacked from within their own gates, and yet for the blindness of the people, they shall almost succeed, until the Christ comes and stops them dead in their tracks.
08-06-2010 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Oh, are you so naive to believe that there are not people in the US whos sole purpose from a spiritual point of view is to destroy this country from within.
You mean republicans?
08-06-2010 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Oh, are you so naive to believe that there are not people in the US whos sole purpose from a spiritual point of view is to destroy this country from within.
No. I'm quite certain there are such people. Do you think they are going to try and build a mosque on the site of the 9-11 attacks? If that's the level of intelligence behind this threat to the US, I think you can relax.
08-06-2010 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
"Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed" is the name of the book.
Pletho are you a member of his church because you have a lot of views in common with it.
08-06-2010 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Am I scared? Hell no, but people need to wake up to the reality of whats going on, and happening.
I didnt mean you were scared. I meant that your diagnosis as to why people didnt agree with you may not be correct. Maybe they're not scared. Maybe they're not blind. Maybe they think you're wrong and that one should love everybody, not just Christians.
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Believe me, most Christians have some vague idea of whats going on. Its not like the bible does not talk about this kind of stuff.

Haven't you ever read it?
Regularly. Does it surprise you that not everyone shares your interpretations?
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Ephaticus 12:4 In the years to come their shall be a righteous nation that shall be decietfully attacked from within their own gates, and yet for the blindness of the people, they shall almost succeed, until the Christ comes and stops them dead in their tracks.
I don't have the same confidence in your ability to interpret the bible as you do. In my experience, people who claim to be certain about something are nearly always incorrect.
08-06-2010 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MelchyBeau
You mean republicans?
Lets just be honest, and say politicians in general.....
08-06-2010 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bunny
No. I'm quite certain there are such people. Do you think they are going to try and build a mosque on the site of the 9-11 attacks? If that's the level of intelligence behind this threat to the US, I think you can relax.
Sure why not, what a great statement it makes about how blind and ignorant most americans are to allow a mosque to built upon the site of the one of the most blatent terrorist attacks on our soil from some extremist muslims who pray to allah from a mosque.
08-06-2010 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
It does seem weird. Other hand, it could be interpreted as a peaceful gesture. Have there been any statements from the people building the thing?
It was reported here as being an attempt by moderates to "take back" their religion from violent extremists. They denounced the attacks (according to our local, very low quality newspaper).
08-06-2010 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Its not like the bible does not talk about this kind of stuff.

Haven't you ever read it?

Ephaticus 12:4 In the years to come their shall be a righteous nation that shall be decietfully attacked from within their own gates, and yet for the blindness of the people, they shall almost succeed, until the Christ comes and stops them dead in their tracks.
Well, I've also read the Bible, but I didn't get the version with the book of Ephaticus. This verse--made up?
08-06-2010 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Sure why not, what a great statement it makes about how blind and ignorant most americans are to allow a mosque to built upon a place which was an terriost attack from some extremist muslims.
Because it draws attention to themselves and they could do far more damage by remaining hidden. As I say - if these people are your enemy, you can breathe a sigh of relief. At least you know they're into making statements instead of car bombs.

EDIT: "Sure why not, what a great statement it makes about how blind and ignorant most americans are to allow a mosque to built upon the site of the one of the most blatent terrorist attacks on our soil from some extremist muslims who pray to allah from a mosque."

If people who blow up abortion clinics pray to God beforehand does that say something about Christianity?
08-06-2010 , 02:23 AM
this thread is so ****ing awesome. hopefull joey will return to provide more laughs with his horrendous logic and piss-poor analogies.
08-06-2010 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
Well, I've also read the Bible, but I didn't get the version with the book of Ephaticus. This verse--made up?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you made up that verse Pletho. Does rightly dividing the Word include being able to rightly make up the Word?
08-06-2010 , 03:26 AM
Original Positiowned imo.
08-06-2010 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bunny
Because it draws attention to themselves and they could do far more damage by remaining hidden. As I say - if these people are your enemy, you can breathe a sigh of relief. At least you know they're into making statements instead of car bombs.

EDIT: "Sure why not, what a great statement it makes about how blind and ignorant most americans are to allow a mosque to built upon the site of the one of the most blatent terrorist attacks on our soil from some extremist muslims who pray to allah from a mosque."

If people who blow up abortion clinics pray to God beforehand does that say something about Christianity?
The people that do the abortion bombings a killings are nuts also.....

If a large group of muslims were killed by a crazy group of people who "SAY" they are christians, that would be wrong. Also it would be wrong for Christians to go and build a church on the site where the muslims were killed.
08-06-2010 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Pletho are you a member of his church because you have a lot of views in common with it.
True Christianity has no members, at least its not supposed to, its a family of people.

They are family because they all have the same Father, God.
08-06-2010 , 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Butcho22
Original Positiowned imo.

      
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