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09-29-2010 , 07:12 PM

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MelchyBeau

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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds

Easy now boys.... there's enough work for both of you.

Get back on topic....this place is getting dull

Is it too soon to serve haggis in scotland?

09-29-2010 , 09:14 PM

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JoeyDiamonds

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Originally Posted by MelchyBeau

Is it too soon to serve haggis in scotland?

Haggis is horrible...

09-29-2010 , 11:58 PM

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Deorum

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No no, you are thinking of Hagar.

09-30-2010 , 12:19 AM

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MelchyBeau

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Haggis is horrible...

so yes?

09-30-2010 , 01:01 AM

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loK2thabrain

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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds

See...again you prove my point. With you...it has to be a win. You can't accept that someone has an opinion that differs from yours.

I am not taking CRUDES side although we share the same opinion that we feel it is not a good place to build a mosque.

Take a deep breath and just enjoy things.... stop trying so hard to be 'internet cool'.

We don't all come here to simply state our opinions. And how is he trying to be internet cool, exactly? (soooo funny coming from u btw) And wtf are you talking about when you say he has to win? Just because he's debating your bigoted opinion he "has to win"? You've debated people itt, someone could say the same to you and it would make just as much sense. (none) Debating someone doesn't mean you can't handle someone having a different opinion. What makes you think that?

09-30-2010 , 08:34 AM

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BCEagleAce

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Personally, I don't like that any organized religions exist. However, I have no problem with the proposed Muslim community center for a couple of reasons:

1) First Amendment protects freedom of religious expression. I get a chuckle out of the double standard of so-called patriots and conservatives who claim the Constitution is the absolute law of the land on the one hand, but would also abridge the rights of others to build a religious center. Doesn't seem very "American" to me.

2) I do business in downtown Manhattan regularly, and for almost ten years I've been looking at a giant f*cking hole in the ground at the center of the financial capital of the world... it is an absolute disgrace, in my opinion, that we didn't rebuild bigger and better on the ground zero site the second the rubble was cleared. Not rebuilding is the "victory" given to the terrorists as far as I'm concerned. I'm in favor of ANYBODY who can build ANYTHING on that site... which of course the Muslim community center is NOT on that site, it is actually two blocks away, but that is a less compelling narrative for Fox news to tell.

09-30-2010 , 08:48 AM

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JoeyDiamonds

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Originally Posted by MelchyBeau

so yes?

*sigh* ... yes

10-07-2010 , 02:38 PM

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Interesting article (ENTIRE ARTICLE LINKED HERE)

relevent excerpts here:

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Many New Yorkers were suspicious of the newcomers’ plans to build a house of worship in Manhattan. Some feared the project was being underwritten by foreigners. Others said the strangers’ beliefs were incompatible with democratic principles.
Concerned residents staged demonstrations, some of which turned bitter.

But cooler heads eventually prevailed; the project proceeded to completion. And this week, St. Peter’s Roman Catholic Church in Lower Manhattan — the locus of all that controversy two centuries ago and now the oldest Catholic church in New York State — is celebrating the 225th anniversary of the laying of its cornerstone.

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But as an uproar enveloped the Islamic project over the summer, the priest said he was startled by how closely the arguments and parries of the project’s opponents mirrored those brought against St. Peter’s in 1785.

... For starters, he said, there was the effort to move the church project somewhere else.

City officials in 18th-century New York urged project organizers to change the church’s initial location, on Broad Street, in what was then the heart of the city, to a site outside the city limits, at Barclay and Church. Unlike the organizers of Park51, who have resisted suggestions they move the project to avoid having a mosque so close to the killing field of ground zero, the Catholics complied.

Then there were fears about nefarious foreign backers. Just as some opponents of Park51 have said that the $100 million-plus project will be financed by the same Saudi sheiks who bankroll terrorists, many early-American Protestants saw the pope as the sworn enemy of democracy, and feared that his followers’ little church would be the bridgehead of a papal assault on the new United States government.
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The angry eruptions at some of the demonstrations this summer against the proposed Muslim center — with signs and slogans attacking Islam — were not as vehement as those staged against St. Peter’s, Father Madigan said.

On Christmas Eve 1806, two decades after the church was built, the building was surrounded by Protestants incensed at a celebration going on inside — a religious observance then viewed in the United States as an exercise in “popish superstition,” more commonly referred to as Christmas. Protesters tried to disrupt the service. In the melee that ensued, dozens of people were injured and a policeman was killed.

“We were treated as second-class citizens; we were viewed with suspicion,” Father Madigan wrote in his letter to parishioners, adding, “Many of the charges being leveled at Muslim-Americans today are the same as those once leveled at our forebears.”

10-07-2010 , 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kurto

Interesting article
[snip]

Funny, sad and fascinating in just about equal measure.

10-07-2010 , 08:36 PM

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CRUDEFINDER

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So your post is saying people will be people?

10-07-2010 , 09:02 PM

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BrokeDonk

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Haters gonna hate

10-08-2010 , 11:03 AM

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CRUDEFINDER

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After seeing Daisy on a Sunday TV show and hearing about her and the Iman receiving death threats I am starting to change my opinion. Just as soon as she and the Iman say that it's OK to make Allah cartoons so the people in hiding who drew some with fear for their lives will feel better about Islam, I'll come out in their support.

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