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01-08-2020 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Mightyboosh
That's what I call avoiding the points I raised.

Why does there have to be a first 'god' and not 'gods'?

Why would multiple people writing about something be proof of anything?
Christian Angeolology which is directly related to other religious presentations of "gods". the spiritual world is substantially real but not the consequence to the "acid base reaction" or "quarks" and etc...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelology
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01-08-2020 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mightyboosh
That's what I call avoiding the points I raised.

Why does there have to be a first 'god' and not 'gods'?

Why would multiple people writing about something be proof of anything?
because those different first gods would have to be contingent on each other so they both could not be fully omniscient.

It doesn't but it's better than one person writing about thing.
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01-11-2020 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by nohands
because those different first gods would have to be contingent on each other so they both could not be fully omniscient.
That doesn't change that they have always existed, they have no beginning and so no condititions to meet for existing, just as your one god doesn't.

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It doesn't but it's better than one person writing about thing.
Not really, it might just mean that more people are wrong. There is plenty of evidence that historical aco****s can be innacurate, so to rely on 4 people writing about something is less than reasonable.
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01-11-2020 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by carlo
Christian Angeolology which is directly related to other religious presentations of "gods". the spiritual world is substantially real but not the consequence to the "acid base reaction" or "quarks" and etc...
Most of the time I have no idea what you're saying.
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01-11-2020 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mightyboosh
Most of the time I have no idea what you're saying.
Science and materialism have nothing real to say about higher worlds or life in its beginnings or about the "gods" you refer to or in other words "what you see(senses) is the outer extension of a spiritual reality .
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01-11-2020 , 10:50 AM
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Science and materialism have nothing real to say about higher worlds or life in its beginnings or about the "gods" you refer to or in other words "what you see(senses) is the outer extension of a spiritual reality .
So here you're claiming that there is empirical evidence of spiritual things. That's a contradiction in terms.
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01-11-2020 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mightyboosh
So here you're claiming that there is empirical evidence of spiritual things. That's a contradiction in terms.
The best way to enter into an appreciation of the spiritual realities is to inwardly consider your thinking and thoughts as to their realities.

I'd invite you to consider the philosophical, scientific and knowledge laden symphonies of the western world and see whether great men like Plato, Aristotle , Aquinas speak to the outwardly hidden yet "empirical" or "objective" in the souls of these men. Look around you and judge appropriately.

You can't own "empirical" ; consider that you may believe that your thoughts are your own, created through yourself, in which case if each man had his own particular thinking and thoughts then the world would really be a welter of crass non nothingness.

And so if "the rational", or "logic" or the "intellect" is brought forth it will become apparent that we live in a world of "thoughts" to which each man is able to "sense" the reality of this world as "thinking is a sensory activity" .

"In thinking I experience myself united within the stream of cosmic existence."

Now of course, this is difficult for ancient peoples even up to our present age (15th century on wards) had no difficulty with these concepts (spiritual) but we have literally fallen to the state where that which was given by our natures now has to be earned through our own effort.

Another way of saying the last paragraph is that the ancient Greek, for example, could see the thought reality of that to which the senses gave them. the thoughts were there and they were aware of these thought beings "a natural " . Paradoxically the ancient Greek was not as individualized as we are as mankind no longer is immersed within an "atavistic consciousness" as the Greek or prior ages .

Man gains "freedom' in that the old consciousness is no longer, which means that each is individually responsible to regain that sight of the higher worlds while maintaining his individual intellect or individuality. Of course we are all in this together and therefore help and support each other.

Its a lot, I know, but comprehension is important, not docile "belief" but understanding, and we can all go on to our morning cup of coffee.
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