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03-22-2010 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
You use theistic characteristics for the sake of argument? LOL!
Uhm, yes. If I sat here and said what I really, think, plainly, that there is no good reason to believe that god exists, then there really is no point in coming here as there's no conversation to be had. If I grant some theistic principles, then I can do fun things like point out that even if he does exist he supported slavery in the bible, so he still wouldn't be worshiping even if he did exist. If I never allowed some theistic ideas for the sake of argument in certain threads, there would literally never be any conversation. So I'm not sure why you find it so hilariously funny that I thought you adhered to one random theistic principle and proceeded as such.
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03-22-2010 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Uhm, yes. If I sat here and said what I really, think, plainly, that there is no good reason to believe that god exists, then there really is no point in coming here as there's no conversation to be had. If I grant some theistic principles, then I can do fun things like point out that even if he does exist he supported slavery in the bible, so he still wouldn't be worshiping even if he did exist. If I never allowed some theistic ideas for the sake of argument in certain threads, there would literally never be any conversation. So I'm not sure why you find it so hilariously funny that I thought you adhered to one random theistic principle and proceeded as such.
You had me at this
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"there really is no point in coming here as there's no conversation to be had"
Oh what a day it would be if you would stop posting your retarted claims against Christianity and God.
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03-22-2010 , 03:02 AM
Pletho I think the Christian response to someone posting things you find offensive is 'turn the other cheek' and 'prey for thy enemy', not wish him away

fwiw
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03-22-2010 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
You use theistic characteristics for the sake of argument? LOL!

While you do not explicitly state it, your position clearly implies the following assumption:

There is an absolute morality that even God is beholden too.

But theists do not make that assumption. Theists believe that God Himself is the absolute moral authority....that God can do no wrong because God's will decides what is right and what is wrong. So if for the sake of argument you actually wish to use theistic characteristics you need to change your argument from "God allowed deaths for no good reason" to "God allowed deaths for good reason". Do you see how ridiculous you are being?

Instead of taking up theistic characteristics(which will inevitably moot you argument) why don't you make an argument that God is not the moral authority, that there exists an absolute morality which God is subject too. If you can make that case then you arguments might start to hold water.
Are you honestly surprised by this? Although apparently not as specific/clear about allowing this or that theistic argument, he does exactly what pretty much ALL of the atheists in this forum do.
As for the last paragraph, for that argument, you should go to this thread imo.
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03-22-2010 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Tao1
Are you honestly surprised by this? Although apparently not as specific/clear about allowing this or that theistic argument, he does exactly what pretty much ALL of the atheists in this forum do.
As for the last paragraph, for that argument, you should go to this thread imo.
Ironically, what he finds to be so funny actually shows how unable he is to fully comprehend opposing arguments.
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03-22-2010 , 06:43 AM
Each mass extinction clears the playing field, allowing new life forms to evolve into now vacant niches. Without the mass extinctions the world’s life forms would become relative static increasing the chance that technological life would not have evolved within the 8 billion-year time limit.

As to the superficially regular pattern of extinctions, well the dates of the mass extinctions are hardly new - (I suspect most students of evolutions over the last fifty have spotted the pattern). Its probably just coincidence, however there could be some other explanation. *danger wild unsupported speculation* Maybe the earth’s orbit ‘regularly’ passes into the same plain as a group of comets increasing the chance of impact, or maybe there is some geological cycle.

Last edited by Piers; 03-22-2010 at 06:59 AM.
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03-22-2010 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Yeah makes much more sense that there's an invisible man in the sky listening to everyone murmur to him at the same time.

What's so wrong with that? I thought you atheists believed in the flying spaghetti monster?!?!? That's a bit worse.
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03-22-2010 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Ironically, what he finds to be so funny actually shows how unable he is to fully comprehend opposing arguments.
Well, although that post did show a lack of understanding, he has a point in saying that perhaps it is difficult to truly grasp something (in this case, the arguments for theism) if you dont believe in it. I happen to think one can do that to an adequately effective extent, but it seems there is an argument to be had there. Note that this is not an uncommon objection to outside criticism, although rarely thus formulated.
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03-22-2010 , 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Dude, I don't hold that attribute to god, I allow for theistic attributes for the sake of argument. Clearly, the one I was using doesn't apply to your specific religion. I don't give a being that doesn't exist characteristics, I temporarily allow for theistic characteristics for the sake of argument. This is not complicated.

Now, I don't know a lot about catholics, so please go ahead and list the characteristics that you believe god has so I can better use them against you.


I think he is made out of chocolate.

Please disprove this, include your working out.

thx
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03-22-2010 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
Everything said in the last two pages.
Okay, normally I don't nitpick since this is the interwebs and all, but dear god man, use spell check. Just a little. Please.
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03-22-2010 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Hainesy_2KT
What's so wrong with that? I thought you atheists believed in the flying spaghetti monster?!?!? That's a bit worse.
You're a brave man to be dissing the FSM. Hope your god protects you when YOU die! Me, I wouldn't risk it.
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03-22-2010 , 12:20 PM
i think this is actually in the theists favor.

god only gets supremely red-in-the-face mad once every 62 million years. thats not bad.
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03-22-2010 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
You're a brave man to be dissing the FSM. Hope your god protects you when YOU die! Me, I wouldn't risk it.

If he's even distantly related to that plate of seafood linguine that had me barfing out of both ends i am actually starting to worry a little
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03-22-2010 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Hainesy_2KT
If he's even distantly related to that plate of seafood linguine that had me barfing out of both ends i am actually starting to worry a little
You have no idea brother! Seafood linguini is just a taste! You thought Yahweh was a petty, jealous God who punished people for eternity for not properly worshiping him? You haven't SEEN petty jealously until you've exercised your free will to not worship the FSM. Makes Yahweh almost seem reasonable by comparison!

(I'd be laying off ALL pasta if I were you!)
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03-23-2010 , 04:25 PM
Wow, we better get our posts in soon.....time has nearly run out
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03-23-2010 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Piers
As to the superficially regular pattern of extinctions, well the dates of the mass extinctions are hardly new - (I suspect most students of evolutions over the last fifty have spotted the pattern). Its probably just coincidence, however there could be some other explanation. *danger wild unsupported speculation* Maybe the earth’s orbit ‘regularly’ passes into the same plain as a group of comets increasing the chance of impact, or maybe there is some geological cycle.
David Raup and Jack Sepkoski published a paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in February, 1984 demonstrating a 26-million-year periodicity in mass extinctions. This led to the question, why would these extinctions be regular and what caused them? The answer came from astrophysicists who postulated (among other theories) a "Death Star" companion to the sun, dubbed Nemesis. This star would periodically come close to the sun, disturbing the Oort Cloud of comets, sending some of them to rain down on Earth, thus killing substantial amounts of life on earth.

Unfortunately no one has ever seen this Nemesis star, which is not due to return for another 13 million years or so. In fact no one has seen the Oort Cloud either, although I understand most astrophysicists believe it is there.

Additionally Raup and Sepkoski's work has been questioned. This new work may be better informed.
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