You presume that you know better than God does and that He should give you everything that you want on your terms, and then you miss that He offers a way to everything that would be perfect for you in His Son Jesus. Jesus is the fulfillment of God's promises for you, whatever affliction you're feeling right now He hung on a cross so that in Him you could overcome it.

Can you keep it less vague? As in less trying to cover up your actual answer with things that don't mean anything.

I have never tried to cover up my answers with things that don't mean anything. If I say something that is meaningless to you the best I can do is answer your questions about it or point you to somewhere else.

So then how would you prove that the bible is true to someone else? Note that this someone else would have a higher standard of evidence than the word of some pastor.

Those are the excuses I am talking about! Always an excuse but never actually something concrete.

It reminds me of fraudulent activity to be honest.

Yes I like things on my terms, I'm surprised your God did not know this as he created me! AS for giving me "everything" on my terms? How about he gives me something, he can't even do that can he because we both know he is SATAN himself and why would SATAN give me something positive, something good that would actually help me????

I don't know if I could prove the Bible is true to anyone else. All I can really do is present my case and try to reason with the person.

I mean, he gave you your life and also his own life on the cross. That was pretty painful for him.

You realise that this is not an argument that anyone who doesnt believe the bible is going to take seriously?

Why do you assume God has a choice, or that he should make the choice that you think he should? That seems a huge assumption on your part. Few parents want their kids hurt, but they also let them learn painful lessons and make mistakes, to grow as people and learn. Are those parents sadist? They could keep their kids locked up safe just like God could keep you locked up safe.

The analogy is designed to show you that choices are not binary and it's far more complex than that. It's not "God protects you from hurt or he's a sadist". That's an absurd view on many levels, on the level of philosophical sophistication of believing that Jesus rose from the dead. Possibly worse.

This is a joke, right? Are we at the level of sophistication where endless qualifiers are needed to get the point?

You can't define your way to a world where things work as you want. Free will implies the ability to make choices that are less than perfect, which implies a less than perfect state. Ergo, free will - if a powerful entity grants it - is necessarily a deviation from what you would call perfection.

My point was that in the biblical context God has given a lot for you.

Excuses again!

He gave me my life that is a life of misery and that is pretty painful to me!

I think it's actually the other way round. I gave him his life of a God by suffering all through this life! That makes the most sense as we both know your God is actually Satan!

Woah really?? Of course God has a choice he is mightier than anything and all in this universe, he can do as he pleases! Stop making excuses!!!

Just excuses my friend!

Painful lessons such as? I think there's difference with the point you are trying to make and actually arguing that my my point is invalid!

Your parents don't have a choice and those life lessons you talk about are lessons that will help you as an adult later on in life. But you are just clutching at straws now, you can't compare God to your parents, God has the choice, he is all powerful. You just want to have a different idea of God and throw that into the mix but we are talking about the christian God that can do anything.

As an example if your parents are poor they don't have a choice to give you a proper upbringing. You will be brought up poor. Are they now sadists? No they don't have a choice.

God is all powerful, rich beyond belief, has heaven and paradise but does he share it with you??? Nah the filthy Satanic sadist leaves you (his child) to suffer!!!! Those are just facts, I'm sorry if you can't handle the reality of a christian God.

Are you 12? I hope you are. You seem irrationally angry at God.

"God is all powerful and I'm an ugly teenager with acne! God sucks!" is about the level of commentary you're giving right now.

Again, if God gives creatures free will, then that part of the universe and its consequences he does not control.

No need to make it complicated. God is either good and real or he fake and not good.

So what part of free will gives children cancer in the brain again? Since god does not control it, what choices did these children make to deserve that?

Explain free will, I'm pretty sure it does not exist!

LoL free will. Go tell that to the girl who got forced into prostitution, did she do that out of free will?

No, that's what "forced" means.

But if she had free will she wouldn't of gone down that path.

Why not? People do, there can be a lot of money in it and some people don't have a lot of options to make a lot of money. I'm sure there are people that have chosen to go into prostitution.

Or you could you know, pick an example of the millions of people who clearly do have free will.

Also it's "would have".

If God is the God of the bible he has hardened hearts as a way of controlling free will.

Common activities of the atheistic lifestyle seem to be whining, complaining, wallowing in misery, and claiming that life is not worth living. Cynicism and nihilism are embraced. Strangely enough, atheists are perplexed why happy religious people don't want to switch to that miserable belief system.

I get that you're of the opinion (right now) that God is evil, but I don't agree with you so it's kind of silly to keep saying that we both know this.

Ignorance is bliss. I wish I could fall for fairy tails and feel all warm and fuzzy but I'm not ignorant enough.

Jesus...