Why are Aleprechaunists so mean? If the leprechaun in the box brings comfort to just one lonely Irish child, isn't the concept worth something?

I enjoyed it very much. In a weird way I felt like I was getting in touch with my former self who once believed in god. Arguing for the theist side gave me a kind of cathartic nostalgic feeling. It was very pleasurable. In a small way, I miss the person I once was and his comforting beliefs.

I'm not sure If I will ever fully understand the Christian position or the Muslim position, etc. When I was arguing in that thread, I was arguing for the God I once believed in. A truly all-loving God that would never punish or forsake anyone.

Sounds like an interesting thread. Just my opinion: I have never met someone that deserves to be punished. I have only met people that should be segregated from society. God may be justified to do whatever he wants (he is God after all) but an all-loving God would never punish anyone. He would have an infinite amount of love and compassion for all.

And even if you don't believe in him. He will always believe in you.

You do realize that the majority of people on this forum (80%?) have been on both sides. Most people here are aleprechaunists, and most of them once believed.

ilove - yes but most havent ended up on my side.

it still wont work because people wont do it seriously, but w/e

I'm confused. Which side are you on?

I gave you the answer why your argument wasn't correct.


Its not a strawman because millions of Christians believe in a physical God named Jesus. Jesus/God is entirely testable with the same types of evidence as the leprechaun when he is in the material world.

i refer to myself as agnostic, but im a strong believer in the watchmaker argument, which is pretty much 50% of the posts itt

Sure, people aren't taking it seriously, and I don't expect anyone to seriously writing replies...we know what Rize threads are about.

This doesn't mean that the arguments made in jest still aren't a relatively accurate portrayal of 90% of the commentary on this forum meant to support belief in god(s). I hold that most of the disregard for this little tidbit is simply that our resident believers find the idea of a Leprechaun in a box....absurd.

But the strawman evidence presented in this thread for the leprechaun is not the same evidence that is presented for Jesus. Not even close.

Well I think every atheist on this forum is also an agnostic, so I still don't see how you're differentiating yourself from them.

He said the strawman is that the leprechaun is physical and God isn't. That's not true in the case of the Christian God.

but the arguments for God are different then for Jesus. You are trying to play slight of hand here. The arguments for the existence of God are not about a physical object, nor does anyone argue that way. Nor is it analogous.

If you want to pretend that the argument for the leprechaun is analogous to the arguments for Jesus then you will look just as silly.

If he is a believer in the watchmaker argument, would that not make him an agnostic theist?

Jesus and God are one and the same. The argument that the leprechaun is physical and therefor requires different testing than God is bunk when Jesus is physical and God.

When the leprechaun is in our physical world he is testable in the same ways as Jesus/God. When he dematerializes he is testable in the ways in which you test non corporal beings.

But the supposed arguments that are made ITT and the way that the leprechaun is presented is totally different then Jesus. Example, the leprechaun cannot be seen, Jesus obviously was seen.

But the people who say the leprechaun cant be seen are mistaken and lack faith. Dont be deceived not all leprechaunians are TRUE leprechaunians. He materialized himself to me in a revelation much like how Jesus physical manifested himself to Paul.

I think you're right. That or an agnostic deist. I would say I believe in the blind watchmaker argument too, but I know that's not what BpM was talking about. Teleological arguments or any argument based on human intuition are for n00bs imo.

I'm sure we can find cases where leprechauns were obviously seen by people throughout history.

Leprechaun, gnome, pixie, elf, tomte, goblin...the list of people who have believed in these phenomena is huuuuuge.

arguments against watchmaker only prove it further imo. in my heart at least

the fact that the process by which the wonder, complexity and beauty of the world came about was in itself wondrous (sp?), complex and beautiful only adds to my belief in the amazing nature of this universe.

anyone that argues otherwise is imo just trying to win an argument.

i wouldnt call myself an agnostic theist or deist, but i feel its a better description of my belief system than agnostic atheist.

deism is pretty mad tho, zeus ftw!

Huh? Read the wiki on leprechauns. And then read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuatha_D%C3%A9_Danann - there is even a genealogy, so it must be true.

No I'm not, once again, all I argued was that your definition of god was an unsupported assertion. Telling you that your definition of god is unsupported isn't a way of defining god. By the way, I already explained all of this to you earlier, to which you agreed. At this point, you only repeated because you're bored or you have no other argument.

But it's on the money!!1