Yeah, when we have done this before it didn't go over extremely well. I enjoyed it and I think that ILP enjoyed it, but no one else really participated and when they did it was just taking a caricature position.

Threads where you have to argue for the other side can be very telling. It becomes very difficult for people who do not actually understand the opposing side.

I was actually thinking about this the other day and thinking of starting a thread with this theme where the topic was along the lines of "is God justified in punishing anyone?"

Our leprechaun is much like the Christian God in that he can manifest himself and his box into our material would like Jesus/God did.


The fool says in his heart, “There is no leprechaun.”
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds,
there is none who does good.

Then our method was wrong. And yours was right, even if you can't articulate why. Many things in life (as opposed to robotics) are like this, it turns out.

Why are you just asserting that it is ridiculous instead of giving an argument, evidence, or reasoning?

Epic thread!

I'd add that all you need is the proper epistemological point of view on how you know things about the lepricon. Some people here just don't understand that there is internal truth and external truth, and let their egos get in the way of seeing the truth that's inside them about the lepricon. Those of us who've had the nagging personal experience of there being a lepricon are the ones that have access to the truth that is inaccessible by your current methods - and there is no way for us to convince you guys, but you just need to understand that our viewpoint is as consistent as yours and in fact we're better since you people rely on circularity of rationality, which is simply laughable.

yawn

Why is it acceptable for atheists to use completely irrational arguments and hold completely illogical ideas when theists only get a "LOLPascalswagerament!"?

The level of ignorance displayed in this thread is unbelievable.

Awesome.... can I see it?

If you believe in him he will reveal himself to you.

That's AWESOME !

I've heard many of my friends talk about this really neat Leprechan.
I've always wanted to be on their "team" so to speak...they seem so happy and this little guy just makes them all love each other so much.


I DO believe!


*snap*


Ahhhhhhhhhh..... that feels so good.

says the guy who thinks eve had a conversation with a serpent and that people live inside of fish

Well, you know...we simply can't hold to the rigorous standards of credibility and consistency of arguments such as "imagine a being who imagines you, isn't that being god?"

You seem to have some built up anger and hate for the leprechaun or you just don't want to follow his rules. Either way until you can overcome that pent up rage towards him you will never know the truth.

Which are...what?

And while you're at it, explain why they're irrational or illogical. Just asserting that they are might work in your social circle, but some of us require more than personal opinion.

I think he's doing the role reversal thing.

I played the game wrong...can I start over?

If billions and billions of people around the world believe there is a leprechaun in the box, you have to admit that it's pretty much a given he's in there.

You need to be able to divide the leprechauns words. BTW im the only one in the world that knows how.

your defining your box in such a way that there s no way to know what is inside of it....

if people took this seriously it could be great, instead people are just using the thread to post theist arguments they have a problem with.

ill go, tho its easy for me having been on both sides....

the box is closed. we cant possibly see in and thus even using every sense we have we can not rationally know what is inside.

as a result to make guesses as to whats inside and then base your life around those guesses is completely irrational, even if it helps you.

this doesnt even make sense. billions of people dont believe there is a leprechaun in the box.

A prime example of why this thread and similar topics aggravate me so much. Instead of understanding why the argument is not correct, you continue to make jokes and parody poor defenses of theism instead of the sound arguments.

You are attacking theism based on your definition of God, which is not consistent with a theist's definition of God. This is a strawman argument. It's not difficult to understand.

I'm actually a theist arguing for theism. I can't participate in this "role reversal" because the premise is so horribly wrong that actually participating would be pointless.

The difference which the OP is missing is that theists use senses of the world around them to determine whether or not a leprechaun is in the box. This is obviously not possible in the analogy, which ends up debating whether or not an arbitrary thing exists.

TEPM - you are right, in your main contention, but this isnt resulting in a debate over whether the leprechaun exists, its resulting in a bunch of atheists deliberately posting logically flawed theist arguments replacing the word god with leprechaun.

I completely agree. Let's posit that the Leprechaun in the box existed before time, created the universe, has performed miracles and yet still exists inside the box and this is correct because witnesses have said so.

This should make it ironclad.

Not to mention the personal revelation, as I've posted above. Anyone who doesn't believe in the big L is really taking a big chance, IMO.