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08-16-2010 , 06:30 PM
If someone today announced that God spoke to him/her and directed them put together a change to the NT would you believe them? Why or why not? If not, what if 10-20ish people all claimed God directed them to do this? What if instead of a change to the NT, if was more of an addition to it, and they claimed God told them an "update" of sorts was needed due to the advance in human understanding of the world around us? (or perhaps some other reasoning, such as non-belief becoming more popular) Perhaps you wouldn't believe if based on what i've laid out, but maybe you could elaborate on a scenario in which you would believe and accept additions to the Bible? Thanks.
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08-16-2010 , 06:31 PM
Sorry for spelling errors im on my phone.
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08-16-2010 , 07:05 PM
Isnt that basically the church of latter day saints? If not no offense to that religion.

No way in hell anyone would every accept any additions which I find funny because thats basically how the entire old testament was written.
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08-16-2010 , 09:00 PM
If the Catholic Church adds to the canon before that then I would believe it, since they are the ones who determined scripture definitively anyway. But I'm not sure if it's possible.

I think after Jesus comes the second time there might be a third testament that will serve as the Holy Word during his thousand year reign.
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08-17-2010 , 12:29 AM
Depends. Can they do magic tricks which outperform David Blaine (I bet Jesus couldn't hold his breath that long)?
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08-17-2010 , 09:37 AM
I understand this is an uncomfortable subject for Christians, but hopefully more of you will chime in.
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08-17-2010 , 09:38 AM
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If the Catholic Church adds to the canon before that then I would believe it, since they are the ones who determined scripture definitively anyway. But I'm not sure if it's possible.

I think after Jesus comes the second time there might be a third testament that will serve as the Holy Word during his thousand year reign.
Ok, thank you for your answer.
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08-17-2010 , 06:04 PM
You mean like the Qu'ran?
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08-17-2010 , 07:04 PM
When Christ comes, i will believe everything he has to say.
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08-17-2010 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
When Christ comes, i will believe everything he has to say.
What if Christ says not to believe anything he says?
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08-17-2010 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
When Christ comes, i will believe everything he has to say.
If you're not going to address the OP please just stay out of the thread mmmkay?
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08-17-2010 , 09:55 PM
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You mean like the Qu'ran?
I don't know if you're serious?

But, no, not like the Koran. This would be from a Christian or a group of Christians, or at least something that is specific to the religion of Christianity and not something that deviates from the main plot.


Christians,

Again, I understand this is tough for you because you're stuck having to explain why you believe the NT if you wouldn't believe this newer testament, but please try to make some attempt at a response if you could.

Jerok said (if I'm understanding him correctly) that he would accept any addition if it was endorsed by the Catholic Church. Seems to make sense from his point of view.

Any non-Catholics want to take a shot at this? Jib? You're pretty liberal with your faith (imo)...care to share your thoughts?
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08-17-2010 , 10:15 PM
There isn't room for a "next" testament.

As the New Covenant is the predicted fulfillment of the Old Covenant, so are their corresponding testaments (though the New Testament was also written during Old Covenant times, which were about to end).

The two testaments work together like bookends.

Last edited by Concerto; 08-17-2010 at 10:40 PM.
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08-17-2010 , 10:23 PM
Not that I'm an expert, but I think the Muslims see the Qu'ran as the third and last word and correct testament. Or something like that.
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If someone today announced that God spoke to him/her and directed them put together a change to the NT would you believe them?
Word of Mo.
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08-18-2010 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Concerto
There isn't room for a "next" testament.

As the New Covenant is the predicted fulfillment of the Old Covenant, so are their corresponding testaments (though the New Testament was also written during Old Covenant times, which were about to end).

The two testaments work together like bookends.
That's one way to look at it. But, and correct me if I missed this part, the NT never says, "the end."

It is written in such a way that one can interpret it as being "the end", and if that's your reasoning for saying "no" to my questions, then fair enough. But it's not something that cannot be argued against with credibility.

EDIT: Also, parts of the NT directly contradict the OT, so who's to say a third part cannot come along that contradicts the second?
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08-18-2010 , 12:07 AM
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Not that I'm an expert, but I think the Muslims see the Qu'ran as the third and last word and correct testament. Or something like that.Word of Mo.
I'm obviously no expert myself (lol!), but the only way I see what you're saying as being legitimate is if Muslims included the OT and the NT in their holy book.
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08-18-2010 , 12:28 AM
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I'm obviously no expert myself (lol!), but the only way I see what you're saying as being legitimate is if Muslims included the OT and the NT in their holy book.
They do include people and ideas from both and even see Jesus as a profit of God.

So the next testament would be like the 4th or 5th depending if you include the Mormons. Or really the 5,6,7,.......if you include all the different early Christian sects who had there own Gospels from God.
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08-18-2010 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Butcho22
That's one way to look at it. But, and correct me if I missed this part, the NT never says, "the end."

It is written in such a way that one can interpret it as being "the end", and if that's your reasoning for saying "no" to my questions, then fair enough. But it's not something that cannot be argued against with credibility.

EDIT: Also, parts of the NT directly contradict the OT, so who's to say a third part cannot come along that contradicts the second?
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
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08-18-2010 , 03:16 AM
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Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
If that do not add stuff didn't work for the OT i dont see why it should work for the NT.
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08-18-2010 , 04:32 AM
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Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
I've actually proven this false myself.
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08-18-2010 , 04:37 AM
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They do include people and ideas from both and even see Jesus as a profit of God.

So the next testament would be like the 4th or 5th depending if you include the Mormons. Or really the 5,6,7,.......if you include all the different early Christian sects who had there own Gospels from God.
I see what you're saying. Started typing out a reply but im too faded and need to get sum sleep now. Thanks for adding that.
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08-18-2010 , 05:03 AM
I'm OO and I wouldn't believe this 'Last Testament', especially if it wants to change the NT, and thus contradicts it. If I would believe the Last Testament, that would mean the New Testament is not perfect, and not divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit, and that would mean Jesus was a liar.

So no I wouldn't believe this Last Testament, also because Christ prophesied that every prophet that would come after him is a false prophet, and we should wait until the return of Jesus on the good ol' clouds.
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08-18-2010 , 10:04 AM
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If you're not going to address the OP please just stay out of the thread mmmkay?
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If someone today announced that God spoke to him/her and directed them put together a change to the NT would you believe them?
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When Christ comes, i will believe everything he has to say.
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08-18-2010 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Butcho22
That's one way to look at it. But, and correct me if I missed this part, the NT never says, "the end."

It is written in such a way that one can interpret it as being "the end", and if that's your reasoning for saying "no" to my questions, then fair enough. But it's not something that cannot be argued against with credibility.

EDIT: Also, parts of the NT directly contradict the OT, so who's to say a third part cannot come along that contradicts the second?
The New Testament says "the end" of the Old Covenant. It also says the purpose of the Old Covenant was to prefigure the New Covenant, the second completing the first.

God "does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets" (Amos 3:7). Old Testament prophets predicted the New Testament, but no New Testament prophet predicts a "next" testament. Therefore no such is going to happen.
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08-18-2010 , 12:28 PM
Concerto, so you reason boils down to the fact that prophets predicted the NT, but none in the NT predicted another covenant/testemant. Okay, fair enough. Could you please provide me with the exact predictions you're referring to?
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