Killing a Man in Self Defence - Page 5 - Religion, God, and Theology

I was at a friends house some years back with some other peeps. And another friend showed up, and turned out one of the people there had some beef with him. My friend avoided any conflict to the point where the guy actually slapped him in the face. He actually turned the other cheek to get slapped on the other side also. I will never forget that, so inspirational. It was in front of a nice crowd too. The one who turned turned the other cheek was and still is a God fearing man.

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06-12-2010 , 12:53 PM

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Sounds like a bitch to me, probably gets ran over in life and taken advantage of easily.

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06-12-2010 , 12:59 PM

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Sounds like a bitch to me, probably gets ran over in life and taken advantage of easily.

Not anymore

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06-12-2010 , 01:02 PM

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Gunth,

What are your feelings about the war in Iraq?

What are your feelings about the war in Afghanistan?

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06-12-2010 , 01:06 PM

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Gunth,

What are your feelings about the war in Iraq?

What are your feelings about the war in Afghanistan?

I don't like wars. I won't start one, i want nothing to do with one. To me it is just unnecessary violence fueled by man engaging in their own personal interests, usually resulting of mass killings of innocent bystanders. But sign me up for peace talks any day.

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06-12-2010 , 01:37 PM

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What about World War II? Should have the Allies allowed the Axis powers to take over the planet rather than defending themselves? Should we have allowed the Germans to complete the genocide of the Jews rather than going to war against them? Should the Soviets have allowed the Germans to overrun their country rather than resisting?

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06-12-2010 , 02:37 PM

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Everyone has purpose, even the wicked. The wicked are used as pawns.

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06-12-2010 , 02:47 PM

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You must know that this kind of thinking is flawed. The position that "if only" everyone would just play nice-nice there wouldn't be need for killing and wars, doesn't cut it. The fact is, not everyone plays nice. So now what? To say that you are willing to let any atrocity occur however abominable, is completely irrational.

You know what you need Gunth? This isn't a put down, but I think you would greatly benefit from taking a course in logic. Your thought process is a mess. There are learned methods of approaching questions and making logical sense of them and then forming rational thoughts on subjects.

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06-12-2010 , 02:56 PM

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I don't find flaw in that thinking. The flaw i do see is that not everyone plays nice though, your right about that. But that is why we were given Jesus as a shining example so that we could all learn to walk in His steps.

Which is basically proof that the actual religion of Christianity is not the problem. It is humans that don't play nice, and those that twist Christianity around to fulfill their own personal desires.

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06-12-2010 , 03:12 PM

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Everyone has purpose, even the wicked. The wicked are used as pawns.

I fail to see how this is an answer to my question.

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06-12-2010 , 03:13 PM

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I don't find flaw in that thinking. The flaw i do see is that not everyone plays nice though, your right about that. But that is why we were given Jesus as a shining example so that we could all learn to walk in His steps.

Which is basically proof that the actual religion of Christianity is not the problem. It is humans that don't play nice, and those that twist Christianity around to fulfill their own personal desires.

So what do we do when these people are hell-bent on killing us? Do we just let them?

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06-12-2010 , 03:21 PM

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So what do we do when these people are hell-bent on killing us? Do we just let them?

Yes, if you follow God's Word, i believe you are. As Christians, we are supposed to set examples. If you fight with someone your act is no less evil then theirs.

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06-12-2010 , 03:23 PM

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I fail to see how this is an answer to my question.

Was mainly to point out that there is some benefit for God and His followers in regards to the wicked, and that is that evil fights each other so Christians don't have to fight.

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06-12-2010 , 03:58 PM

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Was mainly to point out that there is some benefit for God and His followers in regards to the wicked, and that is that evil fights each other so Christians don't have to fight.

So every soldier that went to war (on both sides) was wicked?

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06-12-2010 , 04:03 PM

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Yes, if you follow God's Word, i believe you are. As Christians, we are supposed to set examples. If you fight with someone your act is no less evil then theirs.

A deranged man walks into an orphanage with a thousand rounds of ammunition and an M-16. He walks from room to room executing the children one by one.

Every so often he walks by a window. A police sniper can shoot him through the window to stop the carnage.

Should we let him continue to do this until he runs out of ammunition and/or all the chidren are dead, or should we let the sniper take out the child killer before he kills more children?

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06-12-2010 , 04:08 PM

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So every soldier that went to war (on both sides) was wicked?

There are good deeds that people will do with good intentions that are evil just because they are not authorized by God.

I simply don't know enough to know whether or not God really wants the good guys fighting wars. But based on my understandings of Christs Teachings, i cannot fight, even in self defense. I also believe that every weapon built after Christ came was unauthorized.

Now if this ties down with one person's faith allows them to eat certain things, while another person's faith doesn't, idk.

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06-12-2010 , 04:12 PM

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Fair enough.

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Now if this ties down with one person's faith allows them to eat certain things, while another person's faith doesn't, idk.

Please explain.

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06-12-2010 , 04:13 PM

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Idk. Why can't they shoot him with a tranquilizer?

Why can't all police carry instant tranquilizers instead of death bullets?

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06-12-2010 , 04:15 PM

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Please explain.

Romans 14:2? Somewhere around there depending what version. It goes into good detail and can explain it better than i can i think.

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06-12-2010 , 04:20 PM

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Idk. Why can't they shoot him with a tranquilizer?

Why can't all police carry instant tranquilizers instead of death bullets?

Because 'instant tranquilizers' don't exist. The closest police have are tazers, which don't work from a distance.

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06-12-2010 , 04:25 PM

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Because 'instant tranquilizers' don't exist. The closest police have are tazers, which don't work from a distance.

They don't exist why? Because scientists in that field are too busy building weapons to annihilate huge areas of land? I can guarantee that they can produce something like this. If there's a will, there is a way.

Bullets are cheaper is the main reason.

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06-12-2010 , 05:32 PM

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You do realize a scientist who would be the type to work on tranquilizers (biochemists and pharmacologists) are different than those who work on weapons right?

Also tranquilizers are chemical, thus need time to circulate through the system via the blood stream. It is not possible to do this instantly.