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06-03-2009 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
The irony is that I predict atheists would be more likely to do the right thing and turn themselves in and rely on the actual circumstances and justice system to vindicate them.

Seems to me that theists would be more likely to cover it up. There's a reason why US prison populations are overwhelmingly represented by theists.
Sounds like something you made up. Why wouldn't prisons be overwhelmingly populated by theists? Most people are theists.
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06-03-2009 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Sounds like something you made up. Why wouldn't prisons be overwhelmingly populated by theists? Most people are theists.
C'mon, give me a little more credit than that. Obviously theists make up a disproportionate percentage, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.
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06-03-2009 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Justin A
This is really basic stuff. More theists in prisons means nothing, for many different reasons. If you want to show me a study in which education, income, and intelligence are controlled for, and you still find a correlation between crime and religion, I'm all ears. Until then, be a little more careful with your unfounded musings.
I myself have said that it's unclear what these statistics are really measuring. For instance, it's possible that this data is a more telling indicator of affluence and education rather than religiosity. So (I think) further studies should be done. However, this doesn't change the fact that a disproportionate percentage of prison inmates are Christians rather than atheists. And while this isn't conclusive evidence, it's enough for me to tentatively predict for now, that a religious person is more likely to commit a crime (or do the wrong thing such as in the OP) than an atheist.
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06-03-2009 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I myself have said that it's unclear what these statistics are really measuring. For instance, it's possible that this data is a more telling indicator of affluence and education rather than religiosity. So (I think) further studies should be done. However, this doesn't change the fact that a disproportionate percentage of prison inmates are Christians rather than atheists. And while this isn't conclusive evidence, it's enough for me to tentatively predict for now, that a religious person is more likely to commit a crime (or do the wrong thing such as in the OP) than an atheist.
I find some problems with these comparisons of Christian criminals with atheist ones.

First from God's perspectives we are all criminals/sinners.

Secondly, these studies are just based on current circumstances. If you change several serious factors over time you could get totally different outcomes at different times and places.

If you look at the U.S.S.R. at one time most of the serious criminals were atheists because they led the pogroms against the Christians and the Jews even if they were an arm of the communists. But pre-communist there weren't many atheists so many of the criminals were Christians.

So time and place and varying circumstances nullifies such comparisons.

Also I think most atheist forget to factor in that a lot of prison inmates become Christians while in prison because there are evangelical efforts in prison by various evangelical groups. Prison populations are viewed as objects of charitable endeavors like the poor and homeless. So its kind of hard to say which inmates were atheist, agnostic or Christian before entering prison . Malcolm X is sort of a classic example. He became a Muslim in prison.

Last edited by Splendour; 06-03-2009 at 12:07 PM.
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06-03-2009 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I find some problems with these comparisons of Christian criminals with atheist ones.

First from God's perspectives we are all criminals/sinners.

Secondly, these studies are just based on current circumstances. If you change several serious factors over time you could get totally different outcomes at different times and places.

If you look at the U.S.S.R. at one time most of the serious criminals were atheists because they led the pogroms against the Christians and the Jews even if they were an arm of the communists. But pre-communist there weren't many atheists so many of the criminals were Christians.

So time and place and varying circumstances nullifies such comparisons.

Also I think most atheist forget to factor in that a lot of prison inmates become Christians while in prison because there are evangelical efforts in prison by various evangelical groups. Prison populations are viewed as objects of charitable endeavors like the poor and homeless. So its kind of hard to say which inmates were atheist, agnostic or Christian before entering prison . Malcolm X is sort of a classic example. He became a Muslim in prison.
Wow this is a momentous occasion, because I actually agree with just about everything you just said Splendour! Try not to let it happen again.

Well, almost everything... I don't agree that even if there was a god that he would view us all as wretched sinners. But this belief might be a reason why Christians are more inclined to not care about what they do in this life. No matter what crimes against humanity they commit all they have to do is ask forgiveness and accept Jesus before they die and it's all good, right?
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