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07-20-2012 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by zumby
That's... not answering my question. One more time?
No.

You should think about it. What reason does God to have to hate an atheist any more than a Sikh or Buddhist or Hindu?

Isn't God concerned about everyone who doesn't know Him?

I would say God anticipated atheists wouldn't know Him by giving them lots of gifts to benefit them.

Isn't higher intelligence a gift from God? Where did Newton get calculus from if God didn't give it to Him?

Do you know Newton once solved a math problem in an afternoon that the rest of Europe's mathematicians couldn't solve after working on it for several months?

God is good...He's the biggest gift giver in the world.
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07-20-2012 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
What reason does God to have to hate an atheist any more than a Sikh or Buddhist or Hindu?
I'm not asking God, I'm asking YOU.

Do YOU think it's better for me to be an atheist or a Hindu? Was that "No" at the front of your post the answer to that question?
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07-20-2012 , 01:27 PM
I have no opinion.

I've been observing the atheists as a group case for 8 years while I explained Christianity to them so I know their habitual responses. I have almost no experience with Hindus so I couldn't really say which was better to be.

I think the best answer is you should be what God intends you to be. There could be a reason he'd place you on one path or the other but it helps if you're intelligent enough to know to consult Him for the answer.
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07-20-2012 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I have no opinion.
Ok so let's go back to your original assertion:

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[...]atheists [...] refuse to receive God's mind enlightening therapy which you get by practicing spiritual activities and acknowledging God has the power to change your spiritual condition.
Maybe you should clarify your use of "refuse" but it seems you are unable to comprehend that others might seek the truth but come to a different conclusion than yours.
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07-20-2012 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by zumby
Ok so let's go back to your original assertion:



Maybe you should clarify your use of "refuse" but it seems you are unable to comprehend that others might seek the truth but come to a different conclusion than yours.
Seeking truth is a very universal activity.

But it doesn't mean every person has the necessary skill set to identify it. Isn't that why there's always been a group of experts: the priest caste?

That could also be why God simplifies things and calls to people through revealed religion.

Once you start to study revealed religion is when you start to acquire the skills.

Practice makes perfect in everything but especially in religion.
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07-20-2012 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Seeking truth is a very universal activity. But it doesn't mean every person has the necessary skill set to identify it.
I agree with this. But the tone in a lot of your posts suggest that you don't believe what you've said here.
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07-21-2012 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by zumby
I agree with this. But the tone in a lot of your posts suggest that you don't believe what you've said here.
I'm a bit of a Benjamite and they're not appreciated for their tonal quality.

You know what they say "out of the mouth of children."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin

Fisher talks about the Benjamites here:

Fran Fisher - Systems of Body, Personalities and the Twelve Tribes
http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/w...cfm?LogID=3470
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07-21-2012 , 11:37 AM
the bickering here must be constructive for someone..
i'll reserve addressing specific points to better serve the goal of delivering the concept of this message undivided.

this is my perspective..
take from this what you will..
May the following words find you in Peace..

[Begin Sermon]

Jesus is/was the prototype. the model.
not necessarily a "Saviour".
but The Redeemer.
there is a difference.

the above statement in and of itself is enough to enrage blind followers to the point of dogma in action: aka bloodshed, if and when a (perceived "common joe") is witnessed performing "miracles".
anyways..

when i think of Jesus in that generally accepted (and propagated) image(devoid of all introspection), then Yes.
Grandiose Religious Delusion.
i would agree with the the staunchest atheist here..
but it All be His Will for a Higher Purpose.
so i Judge Not.

But for me..and i am SURE 'others' here will agree..

The King of Kings is not to be viewed in the same light as a king/subject paradigm.
at my current stage spiritually, i will concede that although the Son and the Father are One, my perspective on my relationship with Father, will Always be far more illustrative of my "servant" status, than of that as an Equal.

wih that said, i believe the most valuable lesson we can perceive from the persona of the model Son, is that of:

Self-Rulership in Exemplary Fashion
(By and through the Father's Will)

We are all guilty of Sin.
But one can truly repent, when one is truly Finished with the notion of Sin.
(gotta spit that apple out completely, im working on it...)

i will concede that we must remain watchful..that our motives remain Pure..
but Not self-righteous Pure..

Wholly Pure. Purity Undivided.

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Are there any theists(or now atheists) who feel they have struggled a good portion of their lives, or continue to struggle with the idea of "getting right with God", and have never truly felt that Wholeness, that Certainty without a shadow of a doubt?
that very same uncertainty that causes us to continue seeking, switch religions, or reject the acknowledgment of a God entirely?
anyone here ever felt guilty of this?
(ER raises his hand)

i now know the reason why.
(cliche incoming)

the reason why, is because only the Truth will set you free.

That Truth is, that you and I, are All organically connected to that I AM consciousness that is representative of the Son and Father.

and this Truth is not a Knowing.
it is a Realizing.
A Real-izing, or, making it Real within You.

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my atheists will like this.
Think of God as a Koosh ball.

Now think of each one us like Tentacles on that ball.

we are made to believe that we each have our own separate identity, our own separate space, our own separate will..
some are even made to believe that the Koosh ball was never there, and that they are just wild free-roaming tentacles..

But in Truth, we all go wherever the Big Koosh ball directs us..
it even gives me the idea that this response was of my own making..
what a marvelous, fun Creator..

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the arguing, or questioning of facts, just doesn't coincide with or Exist in a paradigm of Total Trust.( Jesus)

Facts are not Within.
Facts are Without.

If one continues to look Without, one's answers will always be exoteric..

esoterica is much more productive..
right aj?

in summary, whether one believes the man named Jesus existed or not is ridiculously irrelevant..
for the light of unconditional Trust and Love that He has shone upon this World is irrefutable, no matter how dim that light has been allowed to become..
within You..

[/End Sermon]

Last edited by EnlightenedRaise; 07-21-2012 at 11:43 AM. Reason: grammer, etc..
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07-21-2012 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Why would I want to consult someone who's going to increase my spiritual blindness?

You know there's a reason people go to church. It's because it's like a hospital where you receive spiritual therapy.

The more you give God glory the more He uses it to beat back the spiritual darkness/blindness you find yourself in.

Imagine you had knee replacement surgery then refused to do any of the physical therapy. That's what the atheists do up in their Official RGT Images Thread **NSFW** thread. They band together and refuse to receive God's mind enlightening therapy which you get by practicing spiritual activities and acknowledging God has the power to change your spiritual condition.
Come over to my house and I'll give you some reason therapy.
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