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Jesus Became God. Why? Jesus Became God. Why?

03-12-2025 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
You don’t realize what you’re saying. If Jesus didn’t BECOME God, then you and your loved ones have zero chance of ever entering into eternal life in the kingdom. As a fallen being, how are you expected to unify your story with the story of a perfect being who can never fall. Those two cannot reconcile together.

You can only unify with Christ’s story, and become perfect, if he unifies with your story, becoming imperfect. What is true of him (perfection), becomes true for you. What is true of you (imperfection), becomes true for him. This is the only way unification works.

There is truth in the idea that Jesus is always God (and always perfect), but that is the first chapter of the story. The story has to progress and is now doing so.

Christians can either evolve along with it by dying in their sin or be left behind by dying in their sin.
Look, why can't you just say "live your life like Christ"? You're adding all kinds of kooky language as well as gnostic ideas. We aren't "unifying our stories"...where did you get this silly language?

Of course there's truth in Christ always being God BECAUSE HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOD. This isn't allegorical. He's perfect because He's God. He CANNOT not be perfect. Christ is the LOGOS. Truth isn't a concept. Truth is literally a PERSON...Christ. He created the universe and every one of us.

Jesus Christ is second person of a trinitarian Monarchical Godhead. Three distinct hypostasis sharing the same essence and will. The Father being the sole cause of the Son and Holy Spirit, but all equally coeternal and all EQUALLY God. That's the nuts and bolts of it. You seem to have a grasp on what it takes to achieve salvation but you gotta drop all the woo woo rhetoric. You're not going to convert anyone sounding like hippie shaman on ayahuasca.

And yes, I'm Orthodox.
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03-12-2025 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BGnight
Look, why can't you just say "live your life like Christ"? You're adding all kinds of kooky language as well as gnostic ideas. We aren't "unifying our stories"...where did you get this silly language?

Of course there's truth in Christ always being God BECAUSE HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOD. This isn't allegorical. He's perfect because He's God. He CANNOT not be perfect. Christ is the LOGOS. Truth isn't a concept. Truth is literally a PERSON...Christ. He created the universe and every one of us.

Jesus Christ is second person of a trinitarian Monarchical Godhead. Three distinct hypostasis sharing the same essence and will. The Father being the sole cause of the Son and Holy Spirit, but all equally coeternal and all EQUALLY God. That's the nuts and bolts of it. You seem to have a grasp on what it takes to achieve salvation but you gotta drop all the woo woo rhetoric. You're not going to convert anyone sounding like hippie shaman on ayahuasca.

And yes, I'm Orthodox.
No. I’m not going back. People like you are to evolve.

Stop being afraid and believe what is written on your soul. Or don’t.
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03-12-2025 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
All of this is true. Jesus is a bridge to the soul. Son of God = soul.

The entirety of creation is for the purpose of the soul (only begotten son).

Is your soul perfect? Yes. But also no. But also yes.
No no no.

Christ is not a bridge to the soul...wtf are you talking about? We are each made up of a soul and body. You cannot be a person without both. When we die an earthly death our body is separated from our soul until the resurrection. Every person that ever existed will be resurrected.

And no my soul is not perfect. Soul isn't some magical thing that is perfect at all times. We can have darkened souls.

And the Son of God is most certainly NOT the soul. That's complete nonsense.
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03-12-2025 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
No. I’m not going back. People like you are to evolve.

Stop being afraid and believe what is written on your soul. Or don’t.
How high are you? Going back to what?

Christ is written in our hearts. That's our conscience. Christ is the only reason humans innately know right from wrong. And yes, I believe in that.
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03-12-2025 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BGnight
How high are you? Going back to what?
I’m higher than you and lower than you, which is why I am who I am.
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03-12-2025 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
I’m higher than you and lower than you, which is why I am who I am.
word salad
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03-12-2025 , 02:41 PM
This is why the Non-Christian is necessary. So many Christians are going to be stuck.

The Non-Christian is needed to become a brother to the Christian, go out ahead, and prepare the path.
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03-12-2025 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
You don’t realize what you’re saying. If Jesus didn’t BECOME God, then you and your loved ones have zero chance of ever entering into eternal life in the kingdom. As a fallen being, how are you expected to unify your story with the story of a perfect being who can never fall. Those two cannot reconcile together.

You can only unify with Christ’s story, and become perfect, if he unifies with your story, becoming imperfect. What is true of him (perfection), becomes true for you. What is true of you (imperfection), becomes true for him. This is the only way unification works.

There is truth in the idea that Jesus is always God (and always perfect), but that is the first chapter of the story. The story has to progress and is now doing so.

Christians can either evolve along with it by dying in their sin or be left behind by dying in their sin.
Are you being religious right now? Can you separate religion from reality? Is there any difference between the two?
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03-12-2025 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by craig1120
No. I’m not going back. People like you are to evolve.

Stop being afraid and believe what is written on your soul. Or don’t.
I can go along with find what is written on your soul as the purpose of life.
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03-12-2025 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BGnight
How high are you? Going back to what?

Christ is written in our hearts. That's our conscience. Christ is the only reason humans innately know right from wrong. And yes, I believe in that.
There are billions who never heard of Christ and most had plenty of inner ideas about right and wrong.
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03-12-2025 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
Are you being religious right now? Can you separate religion from reality? Is there any difference between the two?
I am reality. I teach my life. You don’t get it. YOU don’t get it.
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03-13-2025 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BGnight
word salad
Wow. That was literally going to be my response as well.
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