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03-14-2020 , 01:39 AM

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Jesus isn't helping one motherblanker with this virus. He's dead and not magic and that's why he never shows up. Hello. And if he was here, he'd think it was a demon, not a biological entity in need of antibodies. He never knew anything about that and he never will. None of the thousands of gods are showing up to help either. When things get real like this, we know that in choosing between prayer and science, science is the hope and religion is the false hope. Most everyone knows that except for in the corner of their consciousness which is compartmentalized for religious fervor. Amen and amen.

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03-15-2020 , 04:02 PM

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03-15-2020 , 07:46 PM

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When a religion is disproven its faithful disappear, offering no explanation in spite of the imperatives within it to do so, thus confessing the actuality of the situation. Check.

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03-16-2020 , 06:08 PM

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When a religion is disproven its faithful disappear, offering no explanation in spite of the imperatives within it to do so, thus confessing the actuality of the situation. Check.

My prior is that pandemics on balance increase rather than decrease religiosity.

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03-16-2020 , 09:34 PM

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My prior is that pandemics on balance increase rather than decrease religiosity.

Yeah but the defending of it sure doesn't increase. All you've said there is religion is fear based, in spades.

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03-16-2020 , 11:38 PM

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Who ever gave you the idea God won’t step up to the plate and smash you with a brick.

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03-17-2020 , 12:09 AM

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Who ever gave you the idea God won’t step up to the plate and smash you with a brick.

That might be valid, if God had ever stepped up to the plate and smashed me with a brick.

I won't hold my breath....

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03-17-2020 , 12:55 AM

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That might be valid, if God had ever stepped up to the plate and smashed me with a brick.

I won't hold my breath....

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03-17-2020 , 01:01 AM

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I don't know you. But that's pretty cool....

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03-17-2020 , 01:27 AM

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Jehovah, while resting between creating light, people etc. at some point chose to create these microorganisms just to slaughter human beings by the tens of billions, right? He wanted them in his creation?

Somebody once said open your mind or it is no longer a mind. Jehovah, during creation, "Okay, I need some bacteria and viruses here that are lethal to my beloved mankind ..." His only defense is he doesn't exist and didn't do it.

Mind is not mind when it isn't free to think about reality. Amen.

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03-17-2020 , 04:49 AM

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"When you are afraid you are more likely to believe something that obviously isn't true and to pass it along." Clint Watts, Homeland Security.

Sound familiar? Kind of like religion? In fact that is the exact prescription of religion, which it turns out, is so like an infectious virus itself.

So the way out of fear is facing it, not being humiliated about it (which I was for a long time about former religious involvement). Then we grow. And we are not stuck saying things like our wonderful God created the coronavirus and other pathogens (just unmentioned in Genesis). Yeah, right. It's absurd.

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03-17-2020 , 05:32 AM

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And maybe Jehovah created the leprosy bug so he could send Jesus in there and say it was a demon and heal it. See how good this story works?

It doesn't. If it does, correct me. Explain this absurd plot.

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03-17-2020 , 05:30 PM

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When a religion is disproven its faithful disappear, offering no explanation in spite of the imperatives within it to do so, thus confessing the actuality of the situation. Check.

You didn't disprove anything.

You seem to think that this is a valid argument:

Sickness exists, therefore God doesn't.

Clue for you, it's not.

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03-17-2020 , 08:17 PM

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No, more like coronavirus exists; therefore Jehovah created it. You have to believe it to buy the religion.

If Jehovah created all why did he create this and all the other pathogens?

If live evolved from such microorganisms, we know damn well why they exist and exist even as existential threats to mankind. What is the Christian defense of why Jehovah creates light, man, earth, heavens, coronavirus, pathogens by the sextillions. What's the reason and why isn't it in the Bible. Is it because they had no idea such organisms exist while being inspired by an omniscient god? No? LOL.

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03-17-2020 , 08:30 PM

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Epistemology matters ... and make-believe epistemology is evil. That's my main point.

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03-17-2020 , 08:40 PM

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Epistemology matters ... and make-believe epistemology is evil. That's my main point.

So, you have a belief of what is evil. What distinguishes your belief from just being your opinion?

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03-17-2020 , 10:00 PM

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Epistemology matters ... and make-believe epistemology is evil. That's my main point.

There's a lot of irony there.

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03-17-2020 , 11:09 PM

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There's a lot of irony there.

Yeah and of course you don't give any details or spell it out. Which means ad hominem with vagueness because there is no substance to it. Which means ... non reality based.

I am not against anybody's religion. We all should be against an epistemology that eschews reality, because that is extremely immoral and leads to immoral places, practices, policies, and defenses.

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03-17-2020 , 11:11 PM

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So, you have a belief of what is evil. What distinguishes your belief from just being your opinion?

I'm talking to someone who wants the value of respect for reality explained and established?

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03-18-2020 , 12:03 AM

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When a supernaturalist gets quizzed on their epistemology along the lines of are you respecting reality? ... the reaction is an ad hominem attack on the questioner. DUCY that is a problem? Many, most of the world, get indoctrinated into various religions. When defending this or that religion entails ipso facto avoiding reality, "reality as enemy," that's the issue.

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03-18-2020 , 12:23 AM

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I'm talking to someone who wants the value of respect for reality explained and established?

You actually have no f*cking clue who you're talking to.

I guess you don't like being questioned.....

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03-18-2020 , 12:48 AM

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Yeah and of course you don't give any details or spell it out.

Or you could demonstrate intellectual curiosity and look it up.

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Which means ad hominem with vagueness because there is no substance to it.

Such amazing logic!

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Which means ... non reality based.

Such amazing irony!

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I am not against anybody's religion. We all should be against an epistemology that eschews reality, because that is extremely immoral and leads to immoral places, practices, policies, and defenses.

Which is why you should question your own epistemology.

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03-18-2020 , 01:11 AM

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You actually have no f*cking clue who you're talking to.

And vice versa. Did you not see the question mark? Me, I've read and written extensively on the subject ... just part of my curiosity/fascination with the subject. You seemed to be questioning why underpin epistemology with respect for reality ... but maybe not.